“From Champex-Lac my quads were just completely shot. So every uphill, I had absolutely nothing – I could barely even keep a straight line trying to walk on the rocks, it wasn’t even a hike.
“But I was eventually able to get a flow on the downhills."
It doesn't make sense. When your quads are shot, it's the downhills where you struggle. I've had quad issues several times in the past and the climbs were a relief. Flats and downhills were awful. I'm thinking maybe his problem was with his fueling, and not beat up legs. I've seen a comparison video of what the top 5 men had to eat and drink at aid stations, and Walmsley's didn't look great.
I explain it for you. Walmsley didn't eat enough and ran to fast in one section of the race where he needed to lead. It's kind of amazing that this guy hasn't learned much in the last 7 years. He is pretty clueless.
Kilian is back to his old ways. Rojo, here's a video that shows Kilian cutting the switchbacks at UTMB. His victory and CR is now stained! Where's the Marathon Investigations guy!?
Here the moment I tried to surprise Mathieu at UTMB putting my gliding skills on practice: https://t.co/C387sNXL6P
Had you posted anything else in the thread before bringing up doping?
No I didn't. But that doesn't matter. Doping in this sport is something worth mentioning and relevant in the real world. It's not a matter of being positive or negative it is simply reality. So maybe take off your rose colored glasses. The 'QUARTZ program' monitoring these races is a joke as listed below. This is well known. If we're going to analyze what great performances and improvements there are then it is not unreasonable to mention that some performances might be doped.
What is Matthieu's background in the sport exactly? Was his rise to the top not insanely quick in the last 2-3 years? Look at the pedigree and experience of guys like Kilian and Walmsley and D'Haene on this UTMB course. Know what it takes to break 20 hours.
If one doesn't think some top runners at UTMB are perhaps on PEDs (and aren't willing to mention that possibility) then they are simply living under a rock and are clueless about how the sport works.
Did you bother to look into Mathieu's background at all before accusing him of being a doper?
If you did you might have noticed that he was pretty quick right off the bat, so not like he went from being slow to suddenly fast. Also sounds like he did a lot of outdoor sports before getting into trail running so he has an athletic background, years of scuba diving and cycling etc...
Anyone else excited for some of these shoes? I saw the Salomon Genesis was available now and ordered a pair. Looks like we will finally get a shoe more suited to 100 milers with the energy surge midsole like the pulsar. Also, interested in Kilians Nnormal shoe and will probably try to get a pair when they drop.
Kilian is back to his old ways. Rojo, here's a video that shows Kilian cutting the switchbacks at UTMB. His victory and CR is now stained! Where's the Marathon Investigations guy!?
Had you posted anything else in the thread before bringing up doping?
No I didn't. But that doesn't matter. Doping in this sport is something worth mentioning and relevant in the real world. It's not a matter of being positive or negative it is simply reality. So maybe take off your rose colored glasses. The 'QUARTZ program' monitoring these races is a joke as listed below. This is well known. If we're going to analyze what great performances and improvements there are then it is not unreasonable to mention that some performances might be doped.
What is Matthieu's background in the sport exactly? Was his rise to the top not insanely quick in the last 2-3 years? Look at the pedigree and experience of guys like Kilian and Walmsley and D'Haene on this UTMB course. Know what it takes to break 20 hours.
If one doesn't think some top runners at UTMB are perhaps on PEDs (and aren't willing to mention that possibility) then they are simply living under a rock and are clueless about how the sport works.
^^^Captain Obvious has entered the chat. Some athletes cheat, testing programs are weak, we get it. I started this thread to discuss the race - not go down the bottomless rabbit hole of PEDs.
Ben injured himself on a downhill, got a check-up with the meds tried to push on but apparently could barely walk. They were running together so that's why both of them DNF. His Strava says that it took him 20h to get back to charmonix. Hope he did not reinjure his already battered foot.
I spoke too soon in my defence of Mr Parkes.
From having to drop out after 39km with a bad injury. That allegedly resulted in him taking hours to hobble off the course.
Amazingly he's back running today with seemingly little to no side effects. Citing many experts who've given him a medical diagnosis. To get multiple opinions in around 48hrs (and a UK Bank Holiday when everything is closed) al saying "its fine just train a bit less" is impressive....
No doubt the inevitable vlog will skirt some of the issues. But I cry foul!
Guess is, he wasn't putting in the performance he wanted. Tripped at some point, and made a minor mishap into a reason to withdraw.
I forget who questioned if he finished half the events he entered. But it starts to look a bit more curious now
Adam Peterman has yet to run a bad race so I definitely agree he has great potential and I'd love to see him run it next year. I think David Sinclair would also be exciting. Having a nordic skiing background, he has a lot of the tools that some of the runners who transitioned to the trails don't have such as lots of experience using poles as well as just embracing the mountains during all seasons. For this reason I actually the east coast scene may be a better training ground for races like UTMB than somewhere like flag or boulder, and the ultra runners in the area who originally come from other sports such as skiing may be best suited to a race like this.
There's this guy Jack Kuenzle who has basically all the major FKTs in the north east that I think would be interesting to see. One of these is the White Mountains 100 (https://fastestknowntime.com/route/white-mountains-100-nh) which is a gnarly point to point 100 along the white mountains section of the AT. I would love to see him run something like UTMB even though these organized, mega sponsored races don't seem to be his scene.
Jack takes down Killian's Bob Graham Round FKT by 30 min https://www.strava.com/athletes/11035536. Best male American mountain athlete you've never heard of - get this man in a race.
“From Champex-Lac my quads were just completely shot. So every uphill, I had absolutely nothing – I could barely even keep a straight line trying to walk on the rocks, it wasn’t even a hike.
“But I was eventually able to get a flow on the downhills."
It doesn't make sense. When your quads are shot, it's the downhills where you struggle. I've had quad issues several times in the past and the climbs were a relief. Flats and downhills were awful. I'm thinking maybe his problem was with his fueling, and not beat up legs. I've seen a comparison video of what the top 5 men had to eat and drink at aid stations, and Walmsley's didn't look great.
This is exactly my thoughts.
If it's the downhill that did him in, then intuitively, he should be having problem with downhill. But he's not.
Adam Peterman has yet to run a bad race so I definitely agree he has great potential and I'd love to see him run it next year. I think David Sinclair would also be exciting. Having a nordic skiing background, he has a lot of the tools that some of the runners who transitioned to the trails don't have such as lots of experience using poles as well as just embracing the mountains during all seasons. For this reason I actually the east coast scene may be a better training ground for races like UTMB than somewhere like flag or boulder, and the ultra runners in the area who originally come from other sports such as skiing may be best suited to a race like this.
There's this guy Jack Kuenzle who has basically all the major FKTs in the north east that I think would be interesting to see. One of these is the White Mountains 100 (https://fastestknowntime.com/route/white-mountains-100-nh) which is a gnarly point to point 100 along the white mountains section of the AT. I would love to see him run something like UTMB even though these organized, mega sponsored races don't seem to be his scene.
Jack takes down Killian's Bob Graham Round FKT by 30 min https://www.strava.com/athletes/11035536. Best male American mountain athlete you've never heard of - get this man in a race.
