Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Wow. It seems like you blame Zelenskyy personally for the fact that you still live in your parents’ basement. Most of us are smart enough to realize that Putin and Russia are to blame for this conflict, and since Ukraine isn’t a pathetic quitter like you, they don’t just give up when faced with a challenge. Again, what’s your (parents’) address? I’d like to come take your stuff and f*ck your wife and then tell you that you should have negotiated in good faith. I guess being Russian, your Cold War experience is that of a loser, which is what you’re projecting onto the current invasion.

Looks like agip wins his bet. Lots of low-paid spammers in St. Petersburg going home devestated.

Ukraine Live Updates: Turkey Agrees to Allow Sweden and Finland to Join NATO

nytimes.com

Ukraine Live Updates: Turkey Agrees to Allow Sweden and Finland to Join NATO

NATO will formally invite Finland and Sweden to join the alliance on Wednesday after Turkey lifted its veto on their membership, the secretary-general said Tuesday evening.

Link:www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/28/world/...

Looks like all the pro-Putin losers will have to go back to cheering on Russian terrorist attacks on shopping malls. NATO’s border with Russia is set to double and there’s nothing the hapless Ruskies can do about it. Good thing Tsar Putin sacrificed 20k Russian soldiers to get the exact opposite of what he wanted.

There was no bet. I completely and immediately agreed that Turkey would be successfully incented and withdraw their objection.

In any case, in the spirit of charity, I donated $100 that day, despite not having made a bet.

Your memory is as faulty as your manners. Please keep it civil.

This is exactly what I wrote a month ago.

"I don't have reason to suspect Sweden and Finland will never be admitted.

Just that they won't be admitted without unanimous assent of existing NATO members - and that one member has adamantly said they won't give it.

While in NATO, Turkey seems more allied with Russia than the US these days.

But everyone has their price - and certainly Turkey's acquiescence can be bought.

The question is just how much does the US or another partner want to pay to glove-smack Russia?

My guess is "a lot".

We'd probably have to wait a year or so to find out - but in anticipation of losing a bet I didn't make, I just donated $100 to charity."

They are being formally invited. The path to full NATO membership can take up to two years, but it is expected to be around year end. This article explores considerations around timing:

aljazeera.com

How long will it take for Finland and Sweden to join NATO?

Thomas O Falk

And what does the process involve?

Link:www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/18/finla...

My memory, which I admit is subject to lapses after I start pounding the high octane booze, is that you posted as follows: "Though this latest NATO expansion is DOA. Turkey is exercising veto rights to quash any applications." (Emphasis added).

"DOA" usually means "Dead On Arrival" which usually means something is a failure before it gets started, etc. I distinctly recall that post because it seemed either (1) idiotic or (2) the subject of some insider information into NATO operations that even an informed observer, such as I, did not posses. The latter does not appear to have been true.

Please point out the faults in my memory, recited above.

Bombah

The above lacks context, that having already been provided.

We are arguing semantics of definition.

My use of "DOA" here was to note a new development, that is their path to NATO membership being blocked.

There was no assertion these applications would never succeed, as clarifying posts made just minutes later made clear.

So when you said that the idea of expanding NATO to include Finland and Sweden was dead on arrival, you really meant that it would be reality a month later? You're also starting to rival BW in complete inability to see when you're wrong.

It's normal to be wrong sometimes. Just own it and update your expectations accordingly. Maybe you need to reconsider how much to trust some of your current sources of news and opinion. I've certainly had to drop a few people from my list of experts worth listening to.

But an inability to recognize when you're wrong is a much more serious condition. Don't go down that rabbit hole.

This is clutching at straws. Clear meaning was consistently expressed.

If it helps, equate DOA with”Dead In The Water”

Procedural delay was duly noted and eventual outcome successfully predicted. It doesn’t get more right.

American troll farms surely hold plebeian minions to a higher standard or literacy and logic.

Own it.

So silly

And yet 100 times more believable then the garbage you post on a daily basis.

You actually believe it?

You are special.

Bet you think Saddam moved those WMDs to Syria to trick inspectors?

That Israel is our ally?

DOA means 'dead on arrival' not 'stalled out'

I've never ever, in decades of reading the English language, seen it mean 'stalled out.'

It's like when a team calls for time out in football. The game is DOA for a few minutes.

Totally normal use of the English language, and definitely not more endless sophistry from Ernest.

Let's recall exactly what you wrote.

On 5/16/2022, in post 3986 of this thread you wrote:

That was the extent of your post.

Later, also on 5/16/2022, in post 3990 you wrote:

So, inside an hour you declared NATO expansion "dead on arrival" (which wikitionary defines as "Being a failure from the start, a nonstarter.") and then backtracked and said that it would take "a year or so" for Turkey to acquiesce. Yet, here we are, a month later, and Turkey has been placated and Finland and Sweden are on the path to NATO membership (they already have security guarantees that make them untouchable by the Russian terrorists). Look, you made two predictions (even if they were somewhat contradictory) - one was 100% wrong and the other was off by an order of magnitude. Take the loss and move on. The only one "clutching at straws" is you.