Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

Thank you and good night. wrote:

RossiCheated wrote:

Yeah, that's a good, kind, thoughtful post.

There's no way "out" for Frank.

But there is a way forward.

It begins with a confession, an explanation why he did it, how he did it, genuine remorse and an apology. I have no doubt that his reasons for doing this could garner some understanding or sympathy from some. It really can only help.

I'm calling it now, for all intents and purposes this thread is over unless Dr Meza does the things you suggest or if Scott Dominguez, Lalo Diaz, Phillip Bland, Francisco Meza, Sara Tartof, the LAM2012/13 accomplice, etc come forward with further information or confessions.

Apart from compiling a Study of Kip Litton Running type blog there's not much more the LetsRun super sleuths and truth seekers can do.

The Rossi thread went over a year with no new developments. The last 60% of pages in that thread were nothing more than trolling and name calling.

ExpertKipWatcher wrote:

Stop shilling your blog wrote:

Sure, yeah, altruistic reasons, blah blah blah. Yeah right, Murph!

Why don’t you just get straight to the money grab and include your paypal link in your Lets Run posts?

I think he does a remarkable job and seems to really annoy cheats so I hope that he gets some reasonable compensation although I would guess it barely covers his costs, have you seen what they charge for hi res race photos?

Ignore him EKW, he's a regular on cheating threads using different handles to put shite on MI and Murphy.

He's a cheater who got caught out and therefore has a blunt axe to grind.

Stop shilling your blog wrote:

Sure, yeah, altruistic reasons, blah blah blah. Yeah right, Murph!

Why don’t you just get straight to the money grab and include your paypal link in your Lets Run posts?

I told you politely, I’m not Derek.

But every time you accuse me of being him I can reply with a link to his site.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

A Hoped For Conclusion wrote:

PB70,

I'm sure many won't take the time to read what you have said in its entirety but they should.

Well said.

I instinctively scrolled past that wall of text but then saw your post and went back to read it.

I should have trusted my instincts.

The Rossi thread went over a year with no new developments. The last 60% of pages in that thread were nothing more than trolling and name calling.

There will be at least 1 new development......when Derek’s next article comes out. (dissecting most or all of Frank Meza’s suspected races dating back to maybe 2007)

lazy joe wrote:

A Hoped For Conclusion wrote:

PB70,

I'm sure many won't take the time to read what you have said in its entirety but they should.

Well said.

I instinctively scrolled past that wall of text but then saw your post and went back to read it.

I should have trusted my instincts.

Why even bother posting? You contributed absolutely nothing to the tread.

RI red wrote:

lazy joe wrote:

I instinctively scrolled past that wall of text but then saw your post and went back to read it.

I should have trusted my instincts.

Why even bother posting? You contributed absolutely nothing to the tread.

He affirmed my trust in my decision to scroll on past.

Thanks, lazy joe

PB70 wrote:

Dear Dr. Meza:

Poster 'deadesq' mentioned that he (or she) tends to be "a person who wants to make the world a better place". You might not think very highly of 'deadesq' because that poster also produces these very informative photo sheets, which I think clearly corroborate Derek Murphy's results and conclusions. But since I think I am cast in the same mold as 'deadesq', please allow me to add a few thoughts for perspective.

Thanks, PB70. Your suggestions really moved me, and I hope Frank takes you up on this. I am fairly sure he won't, but it was worth a try.

I'm going to give one last bit of material for you all to chew on, and Doubler, if you want to link to this, feel free, crediting deadesq if you don't mind.

This is a Google map of the LA Marathon course. I've got the Km markers on it, although they're probably a little off without me going and running the course myself. Please let me know if you know exactly where the timing mats were, and I'll update the map.

You can interact with the map, and on the left hand side, there are check boxes where Frank IS present, and where he IS NOT. Green for present, red for absent. I didn't bother with the finish chute cameras, since I knew Frank was there.

If you click on the individual pins on the map, there will be a link to the contact sheet from that location, so you can view each of these yourselves. I found a few more sets of photos were Frank was present, but his number was covered. They're right where you'd expect them to be-near the timing mats. And looking at this overall, I can see generally Frank's path from timing mat to timing mat. My best guess is an e-Bike, but I did give some brief thought to how hard it would be to duplicate a timing chip's RFID signature. That's another thread, I suspect, and it would have required help.

A couple observations. The general area around Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills is between the 25K and 30K mats. Frank missed this entire area, on three separate sets of photos in that area. Overall, I found nine cameras on the course that Frank missed.

The kicker for me, though, is near the end, on Ocean Avenue, there were two cameras near Palisades Park. One was somewhere between Georgina & Marguerita. The other was closer to Palisades. Frank appears on the Palisades one, but not the earlier one on Ocean Avenue. They're about three blocks apart, but in an earlier post, someone pointed out what looks like Frank in the red circle.

Given the fact that this photo was taken at the Palisades location, I have reconsidered my earlier thoughts that it was not Frank. I now think it is. And I think he probably came up to Ocean Avenue via Palisades, then jumped on the course at the appropriate time to kick it in.

So, I think I'm pretty much done with everything I can do on this. It's up to the LA Marathon now. It's been fun, all. I hope you've enjoyed the stuff I've found.

Orville Reddenbocker wrote:

I went through a whole bag of popcorn and still didn’t read all of that. Too long didn’t finish.

You must be a lot of fun at parties!

Actually I found the post to be highly engaging. You, on the other hand, sound like a real drag at parties.

Hi Deadesq. It says you need permission to view the file.

RossiCheated wrote:

Stop shilling your blog wrote:

Sure, yeah, altruistic reasons, blah blah blah. Yeah right, Murph!

Why don’t you just get straight to the money grab and include your paypal link in your Lets Run posts?

I told you politely, I’m not Derek.

But every time you accuse me of being him I can reply with a link to his site.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/

I'm the cheapest b#stard on this board, but I just sent him $10.

Thanks for your service Derek.

A couple observations. The general area around Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills is between the 25K and 30K mats. Frank missed this entire area, on three separate sets of photos in that area. Overall, I found nine cameras on the course that Frank missed.

The kicker for me, though, is near the end, on Ocean Avenue, there were two cameras near Palisades Park. One was somewhere between Georgina & Marguerita. The other was closer to Palisades. Frank appears on the Palisades one, but not the earlier one on Ocean Avenue. They're about three blocks apart, but in an earlier post, someone pointed out what looks like Frank in the red circle.

https://imgur.com/a/4Q6VQBk

Given the fact that this photo was taken at the Palisades location, I have reconsidered my earlier thoughts that it was not Frank. I now think it is. And I think he probably came up to Ocean Avenue via Palisades, then jumped on the course at the appropriate time to kick it in.

So, I think I'm pretty much done with everything I can do on this. It's up to the LA Marathon now. It's been fun, all. I hope you've enjoyed the stuff I've found.

Looks like Frank to me.

Need permission wrote:

Hi Deadesq. It says you need permission to view the file.

Should be fixed. Sorry about that...

Roderick Powell wrote:

They're about three blocks apart, but in an earlier post, someone pointed out what looks like Frank in the red circle.

https://imgur.com/a/4Q6VQBk

Looks like Frank to me.

Agree, but we need someone who's not a cheapskate like me or a cheap bastárd like 'YMMV' to buy a high resolution copy.

Great work 'deadesq'

See you're still having problems with boxing your quoting Rod.

deadesq wrote:

A couple observations. The general area around Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills is between the 25K and 30K mats. Frank missed this entire area, on three separate sets of photos in that area. Overall, I found nine cameras on the course that Frank missed.

In the interests of completeness, I found another photographer on Rodeo Drive, right at about 319 Rodeo Drive. Frank did appear in his series of photos, but I did not find him earlier since his number was covered. The two photographers further down Rodeo Drive, including the one at the corner of Wilshire who had very close photos of every runner, did not capture Frank. I've updated the map to reflect this.

To complete it perhaps it needs a separate series of photos (with brief narrative) of him off the course, the one above, plus the stretching one, standing on the corner prior to jumping in and jumping in after the mythical piss stop. I think there was only four areas where this happens.

Would pretty well wrap it up.

Great stuff.

deadesq wrote:

deadesq wrote:

A couple observations. The general area around Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills is between the 25K and 30K mats. Frank missed this entire area, on three separate sets of photos in that area. Overall, I found nine cameras on the course that Frank missed.

In the interests of completeness, I found another photographer on Rodeo Drive, right at about 319 Rodeo Drive. Frank did appear in his series of photos, but I did not find him earlier since his number was covered. The two photographers further down Rodeo Drive, including the one at the corner of Wilshire who had very close photos of every runner, did not capture Frank. I've updated the map to reflect this.

Great work!

The only people who believe Frank isn’t a cheater are idiots and his close friends and family. How hollow that must feel to be a cheater and also be a liar to those who love you the most.

I feel bad for you Frank.

the standing on the side and jumping in ones are the real killers would really finish it off