Hold the phone.... wrote:
Not really garbage... the 4th place guy may be a minor serial cheater at the LAM. No splits till 25k two years in a row etc. On a “slow marathon cheating news day,” that’s a little story. Just shows how prevalent cheating may be. Of course, don’t wanna detract from main thread.
It’s relevant. But it’s unlikely those guys intentionally cheated. No need to include their names and photos in this thread.
Frank Meza Report wrote:
Good work deadesq,
These photos are after the 10K mat. Frank was caught by photo stretching out on the sidewalk right before the 10K mat. This proves he left the course again after crossing the 10K mat.
Poor old Frank, guess he just never allowed for super sleuths and their ability to utilise technology (and sheer doggedness woof woof) thought all he had to do was trigger the mats. Only question now is how did he get between them?
Amazing stuff, hope my kids listen when I tell them what goes on the net stays on the net.
doubler wrote:
It’s relevant. But it’s unlikely those guys intentionally cheated.
WHAT!!!
Are you doublers double?
doubler ying double yang wrote:
doubler wrote:
It’s relevant. But it’s unlikely those guys intentionally cheated.
WHAT!!!
Are you doublers double?
Don't think doubler has noticed that both the father and son that you are referring to missed the same 5 timing mats.
or this
He ran LAM 2017-2019: 4:14, 4:09, 4:09 respectively.
In 2018 and 2019, no splits both times till 25K. Coincidence?
2017, he is not in the results - perhaps he was dq'd (??) - if so, the irony is not lost as FM was age group 'winner.'
His other races show half marathons in the 2:30 range..
Amazing what crap gets stirred up on the epic cheater threads!!!!!
Heh. No I didn’t.
doubler wrote:
Heh. No I didn’t.
But you are right that it can be handled with an email. I just couldn't find a contact at the LA Marathon website.
deadesq wrote:
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Then, Doubler, with the assistance of some on this board who have put in additional investigative work, authors a book on the matter, all proceeds again going to Frank's charity. The Reddit thread on this whole affair indicates that there's a ready population of potential buyers for such a book, and frankly, it would read like a great mystery novel if done well.
Frank doesn't have to name names if he had accomplices, but he could rest better knowing that some good came out of what appears to have been an ENORMOUS amount of pre-planning on his part. I'm working on a map that I may or may never finish showing how Frank could have done this with locations and timestamps. Not to prove whether he cheated, but rather to prove how he cheated. It would be a lot easier to just have Frank tell all.
So, Frank?
Possible book titles:
Dr. Meza and Mr. Hide
The Course Not Taken
A Tale of Two Marathons
The Man, the Myth, the Legend
Call of the Marathon
Invisible Man
The Uber Marathoner
Dental Doctor Kip Litton:
Tell us how you did it Frank and the pain will go away.
Frank in his 2:20 marathon days:
Better 2:20 one here
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/mediaviewer/rm3214358272
Took me a while wrote:
We both know that isn't true. I have almost killed this thread with basic logic. RIP.
You have used absolutely no logic at all except to claim that 'absence of evidence' (photos) does not mean evidence.
You ignore the actual preponderance of evidence that prove he cheats
Took me a while wrote:
To cheat you have to prove that his motivation was cheating. Prove his motivation. Prove that he can't legally run a race wearing a banana hammock. He didn't gain an advantage because he set no WR.
He already offered to DQ to appease you nutjobs. I wouldn't have done that because nobody has still proven that he finishes the race any other way than on his own two feet. What more do you want?
Oh. I know. You want him to admit to something that he didn't do so Derek can move on to his next victim. And I wonder why running is a dying sport?
The actual visual evidence of him standing for a measurable time (excluding where he is already off course waiting to come back on), plus his pace to the next split (and loss of minutes), then hitting said split in a target time, proves how long he actually took from one split to next. That is absolute proof that you can see yourself at the source.
He is physically incapable of running those splits in the actual on course time (even with giving him maximum time), and he is not so 'smart' at doing this, it is pretty easy if you have a car and driver waiting for you
If you are not lacking sense or logic, you are merely trolling to cast doubt, eg the comments about 2:15 ability which non runners don't question, plus the 2:20 claimed which is no where on record
I Am Sam wrote:
plus the 2:20 claimed which is no where on record
You know what else isn't on record? Any evidence of Frank taking alternate forms of transportation at a marathon. Hell, just give me him walking off and back on. Give me something.
It's much easier to believe that a runner involved with a prominent running school for decades can run a 2:20 vs. a 70 year old man can cheat at dozens of marathons and nobody can prove it.
The closest thing we have to proof, as Derek already pointed out, is the PHX video. That still doesn't prove intent. There are three or four places he could have just skipped that small section, such as by walking up the street through the apartment where there camera is positioned. EVEN IF he did that and saved 200 yards... Does that mean he cheated? No. What if he were lost? He's 70. Probably has dementia. What if he saw some kid being abused by their crackhead parent and he ran over to intervene and then he realized, oh wait, I'm running a marathon, better get back to it before the internet sleuths catch me.
The point is, the only thing that the camera proves is that IF we can believe the footage, that Frank may have not ran that part of the course because Derek (and I'm sure it has ONLY been Derek) didn't recognize him at that specific point on the video. Does it prove he was cheating for time? No. It means he may have been lost or forced to change course or wandering around for whatever reason and he's totally free to do that.
Frank will disappear ...
As long as this happens, I’ll consider this thread a complete success.
Took me a while v2 wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE EVERYBODY STOP RESPONDING TO THIS FRIGGIN' IDIOT
Rule No.1: Don't feed trolls. wrote:
Took me a while v2 wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE EVERYBODY STOP RESPONDING TO THIS FRIGGIN' IDIOT
BroJos: Is there a way to block posters on LRC? Kinda like Facebook? That way we can ignore the 'took me awhile' guy and stick to the relevant posts.
Here's a thought! wrote:
BroJos: Is there a way to block posters on LRC? Kinda like Facebook? That way we can ignore the 'took me awhile' guy and stick to the relevant posts.
You definitely should silence all dissenting opinions. You wouldn't want anyone to distract you from your groupthink.
Took me a while v2 wrote:
You aren't a RD. You have no idea what evidence they have to keep his time up. I'm sure it's plenty.
...and you know this how? True, I'm not currently an RD. But I do timing and scoring for a lot of races. This ain't my first rodeo, TMAWv2.
But, you do remind me of one of MY favorite sayings...
https://live.staticflickr.com/7538/15472637959_654cec448e_z.jpgFrank Meza Report wrote:
deadesq wrote:
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Then, Doubler, with the assistance of some on this board who have put in additional investigative work, authors a book on the matter, all proceeds again going to Frank's charity. The Reddit thread on this whole affair indicates that there's a ready population of potential buyers for such a book, and frankly, it would read like a great mystery novel if done well.
Frank doesn't have to name names if he had accomplices, but he could rest better knowing that some good came out of what appears to have been an ENORMOUS amount of pre-planning on his part. I'm working on a map that I may or may never finish showing how Frank could have done this with locations and timestamps. Not to prove whether he cheated, but rather to prove how he cheated. It would be a lot easier to just have Frank tell all.
So, Frank?
Possible book titles:
Dr. Meza and Mr. Hide
The Course Not Taken
A Tale of Two Marathons
The Man, the Myth, the Legend
Call of the Marathon
Invisible Man
The Uber Marathoner
that first book title is gold. there's no way you could call it anything else.
well played.
