They have posted for an Interim position
They have posted for an Interim position
U of Miami has hired a distance coach but name not officially announced yet.
OKC Bound wrote:
I laughed too. I coached at another MAC school during that time. Toledo was a joke until he got there. I’m guessing all those 6m/13m jumpers and 11.x/24.x sprinters weren’t running cc.
Toledo went to NCAAs like 4 of his last 4 years which equaled the total number of times the entire MAC had ever qualified for nationals total in 30 years. They were one of first teams out at least 3-4 times too. He Had American record holder. His Asian jumps coach was best jumps coach in conference (I never understood a word he said).
My last year in the MAC was Kevin’s and they were winning both indoor and outdoor track until 4x4 with distance and jumps and they also had great sprinters. All that with no indoor track.
Should he have been more professional? I think that’s obvious but we all respected his opinions and his knowledge. I think it’s hilarious he’s back in this. We were dying laughing when we saw him on that bigassed billboard outside Penn Relays on I-95! That kitten has 9 lives.
Mid american conference is very weak. The marks you mentioned in sprints/jumps are walk-on standards at most big schools. With 18 scholarships and the vast majority going to distance runners, they underachieved.
Andrea coached a team to 8th in the nation in XC while at Uconn. She had VERY limited scholarships because her boss was a sprint/jumps coach. She was probably working with 1/4th the amount of scholarships Hadsell had invested in distance runners.
PoisonIvy wrote:
Rumot mill wrote:
Is the Marquette to Monmouth happening ? Will Marquette be open ?
Marquette to Monmouth is done. I spoke to team members on both squads. Press release should be out early this week. New Monmouth coach will need to hire a sprints/hurdles coach ASAP.
No idea what Marquette does in response.
Marquette coach is another one who married one of his athletes.
PoisonIvy wrote:
Rumot mill wrote:
Is the Marquette to Monmouth happening ? Will Marquette be open ?
Marquette to Monmouth is done. I spoke to team members on both squads. Press release should be out early this week. New Monmouth coach will need to hire a sprints/hurdles coach ASAP.
Why? Track season doesn’t start until January.
Why ASAP? It’s called recruiting for next years class, duh!
Some teams report this week for XC and don’t have a coach announced yet. Some schools without a coach include
Chattanooga- Assistant
Cornell-?
Miami- not announced yet
Monmouth- Director
Northwestern- Assistant
Oklahoma- ?
Purdue Fort Wayne- Head coach
Stanford- will likely hire another assistant
USF- if they hire one and Jenkins doesn’t coach it
Utah- Assistant needed
Yale- Assistant
Plus all the California schools that haven’t made hires/announced them yet.
Feel free to add to list, or if I missed someone hired to one of these schools.
You are missing the point. Stanford Invite and Payton Jordan are hugely important meets. Somebody at Stanford has to run those. Hosting big meets is not easy. There’s a reason the Powell’s at UW contracted Jason Drake to come back and help run UW Invite and Husky.
There seems to be a lot of concern that JJ does not have the skill set to run meets of that caliber. If he isn’t able to bring in someone who does, what will those meets become? Those are the questions being asked right now.
pay attention wrote:
OKC Bound wrote:
I laughed too. I coached at another MAC school during that time. Toledo was a joke until he got there. I’m guessing all those 6m/13m jumpers and 11.x/24.x sprinters weren’t running cc.
Toledo went to NCAAs like 4 of his last 4 years which equaled the total number of times the entire MAC had ever qualified for nationals total in 30 years. They were one of first teams out at least 3-4 times too. He Had American record holder. His Asian jumps coach was best jumps coach in conference (I never understood a word he said).
My last year in the MAC was Kevin’s and they were winning both indoor and outdoor track until 4x4 with distance and jumps and they also had great sprinters. All that with no indoor track.
Should he have been more professional? I think that’s obvious but we all respected his opinions and his knowledge. I think it’s hilarious he’s back in this. We were dying laughing when we saw him on that bigassed billboard outside Penn Relays on I-95! That kitten has 9 lives.
Mid american conference is very weak. The marks you mentioned in sprints/jumps are walk-on standards at most big schools. With 18 scholarships and the vast majority going to distance runners, they underachieved.
Andrea coached a team to 8th in the nation in XC while at Uconn. She had VERY limited scholarships because her boss was a sprint/jumps coach. She was probably working with 1/4th the amount of scholarships Hadsell had invested in distance runners.
Please show me another mid-major school, located in the midwest that had 6m/13m jumpers and 11.x/24.x sprinters during the same season in which their XC team qualifies for nationals.
As far as mid majors go in CC, the MAC is pretty solid. I have to laugh at your attempt to marginalize UTs accomplishments under Kevin. If it were that easy to get a CC team to NCAA everyone would do it. Outside of Sue Parks at Eastern and Rich Ceronie at Miami, I don’t recall a whole lot of MAC womens teams having similar success. Kevin is an outstanding coach who made some very publicized mistakes. His life took a major hit which he’s worked his ass off to grow past. I’d like to see him coach again because he was fun and a great colleague. Not sure he’d want those financial and time constraints. In the meantime, it’s entertaining to watch him mess with the trolls on LRC.
pay attention wrote:
OKC Bound wrote:
I laughed too. I coached at another MAC school during that time. Toledo was a joke until he got there. I’m guessing all those 6m/13m jumpers and 11.x/24.x sprinters weren’t running cc.
Toledo went to NCAAs like 4 of his last 4 years which equaled the total number of times the entire MAC had ever qualified for nationals total in 30 years. They were one of first teams out at least 3-4 times too. He Had American record holder. His Asian jumps coach was best jumps coach in conference (I never understood a word he said).
My last year in the MAC was Kevin’s and they were winning both indoor and outdoor track until 4x4 with distance and jumps and they also had great sprinters. All that with no indoor track.
Should he have been more professional? I think that’s obvious but we all respected his opinions and his knowledge. I think it’s hilarious he’s back in this. We were dying laughing when we saw him on that bigassed billboard outside Penn Relays on I-95! That kitten has 9 lives.
Mid american conference is very weak. The marks you mentioned in sprints/jumps are walk-on standards at most big schools. With 18 scholarships and the vast majority going to distance runners, they underachieved.
Andrea coached a team to 8th in the nation in XC while at Uconn. She had VERY limited scholarships because her boss was a sprint/jumps coach. She was probably working with 1/4th the amount of scholarships Hadsell had invested in distance runners.
Meet Director wrote:
You are missing the point. Stanford Invite and Payton Jordan are hugely important meets. Somebody at Stanford has to run those. Hosting big meets is not easy. There’s a reason the Powell’s at UW contracted Jason Drake to come back and help run UW Invite and Husky.
There seems to be a lot of concern that JJ does not have the skill set to run meets of that caliber. If he isn’t able to bring in someone who does, what will those meets become? Those are the questions being asked right now.
Maybe good 5k/10k guys would run the event in a regular season non-Stanford meet and people could actually see them compete at somewhere other than Stanford?
Beginning to think jj doesn’t have anyone and is just going down lists at this point. Something would have slipped out by now. Unless they are all waiting till after pan ams to say yes or no.
Noidea wrote:
pay attention wrote:
Mid american conference is very weak. The marks you mentioned in sprints/jumps are walk-on standards at most big schools. With 18 scholarships and the vast majority going to distance runners, they underachieved.
Andrea coached a team to 8th in the nation in XC while at Uconn. She had VERY limited scholarships because her boss was a sprint/jumps coach. She was probably working with 1/4th the amount of scholarships Hadsell had invested in distance runners.
Please show me another mid-major school, located in the midwest that had 6m/13m jumpers and 11.x/24.x sprinters during the same season in which their XC team qualifies for nationals.
Very random stipulations you set out. How about you look at the entire team? Toledo's best year was 2011 in XC, that outdoor season (2012) they had seasons best of 3:54 in the 4x4 and 48 seconds 4x1. That is HORRIBLE. They did not score points in the 100 or 200 at MAC. Their top 400 time of the year was 59. Yes, you read that right, 59 seconds for a D1 team with 18 full scholarships to offer.
Mentions nothing about meet or event management!!!
https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/12630140/director-of-track-and-field-operations
Readers Digest Version:
The MAC is a tough conference and very competitive. Not a lot of high school All-Americans showing up but a lot of All-Americans produced and national qualifiers. Over the last 20 years you have coaches like Sue Parks (BSU/EMU), Mo Banton (Ohio), Rich Ceronie (Miami), Steve Price and Sid Sink (BG) being very competitive at the NCAAs in both cross country and track. Then you have coaches like Dennis Mitchell and Bill Lawson and many others that have focused on more track and had tremendous success. Like the other guy said, if it is so easy, then please give us the secret formula!
To the guy who feels he can do better: You are right. We were not well rounded. We had good individuals to augment the cross country program. I had 10 scholarships tied up in distance. Spread out a total of about 17 scholarships to 40+ women and many didn't score in the non-distance. Never really could get the throws going like the next coach did. Some really good sprinters and overall had great success in the LJ and TJ over the years. We lost the MAC 2012 outdoor because I couldn't piece together an even mediocre 4x4 (we were winning by 2.33 points going into the event. Sue Parks is FAR better than I ever was at taking at team to the NCAAs in xc and winning track titles. We were mediocre at track. You win! I concede! :)
Oh yeah...while you are fangirling over your win...just jot down for me the same level of scrutiny for LSU and USC while they are dead fuing last in their conference in xc and couldn't score a point over 1500m if their life depended on it. But hey...we will wait. I mean...you're apparently the guy that knows how to be great in every single event and still take a team to the NCAAs in XC. We are excited to hear from you and your wisdom.
PS: There is no need to even compare Andrea Grove McDonough and me. There is no comparison. She is a better coach and is clearly a much better human being than I am. I have known her for years and we chat and have chatted about the Toledo job. She is such a great person that I will easily concede to your observation! She is going to do a great job and hopefully exceed what I was able to do. Stunningly, after all that went down, I am still great friends with my former administrators and support people at UT and they are great people to work for and with so she will do amazing. So...yay for you! You win another point you're on a roll Butter Cup.
As far a social experiment: Tough call. I know it would be a very bold hire and would take an AD that truly understands the meaning of second chances. That AD would also have to be willing to talk about there being more sides to the story than what is written in an anonymous gossip rag. I have only seen a couple of jobs that would even be worth applying for. Not because they aren't good jobs but because I am sure they don't have an AD that would be open to the idea. Of the jobs I reached out on, there have been five, two were real possibilities and had ADs that were very open to the idea. The other three: one never called back (not a shock) and the other two already had someone and those people have been hired and discussed on this board. Pretty small sampling but I literally haven't applied for any jobs since early 2000s when I was offered the Vanderbilt job. Before that the only job I had applied for was in 1998 when I was hired at Toledo.
I do not want to be a head coach. Too much time. Too little money to put it as the 100% priority. Too large of headaches. I own a production company and I am a partner in another company in Myrtle Beach. Not to mention I am a working actor and have a new TV series that is funded and could show up on Netflix/Hulu in the next year. That will require time but certainly can work around the coaching.
I would probably be more interested in just volunteering somewhere. It is not about the money. But in the interest of feeding the trolls, I will see what happens. Your experiment will be fun and even more fun to see the total obsessed snowflake trolls blatting about it relentlessly to deaf ears.
Moving down towards the playing field...gotta love LRC baby.
~Kevin
meet director part 2 wrote:
Mentions nothing about meet or event management!!!
https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/12630140/director-of-track-and-field-operations
I guess I haven't taken enough time to read through what I missed the last few days...But is someone trying to claim that JJ is not capable of being the head coach at Stanford because of the Stanford track meets? Schools like Stanford have athletic departments that run like large businesses he will have more than enough support. I don't know JJ at all but I would assume he is far smarter and accomplished than some people seem to be giving him credit for. The amount of chatter from the cheap seats on this one is a bit over the top. Just my opinion.
Meet Director wrote:
You are missing the point. Stanford Invite and Payton Jordan are hugely important meets. Somebody at Stanford has to run those. Hosting big meets is not easy. There’s a reason the Powell’s at UW contracted Jason Drake to come back and help run UW Invite and Husky.
There seems to be a lot of concern that JJ does not have the skill set to run meets of that caliber. If he isn’t able to bring in someone who does, what will those meets become? Those are the questions being asked right now.
So Who is your pick? Jason Drake? Jody Smith? Andrea Tepe?
Xc season wrote:
Some teams report this week for XC and don’t have a coach announced yet. Some schools without a coach include
Chattanooga- Assistant
Cornell-?
Dayton- Assistant Sprints/Jumps Needed
Miami- not announced yet
Monmouth- Director
Northwestern- Assistant
Oklahoma- ?
Purdue Fort Wayne- Head coach
Stanford- will likely hire another assistant
USF- if they hire one and Jenkins doesn’t coach it
Utah- Assistant needed
Yale- Assistant
Plus all the California schools that haven’t made hires/announced them yet.
Feel free to add to list, or if I missed someone hired to one of these schools.
Kevin Hadsell wrote:
Readers Digest Version:
The MAC is a tough conference and very competitive. Not a lot of high school All-Americans showing up but a lot of All-Americans produced and national qualifiers. Over the last 20 years you have coaches like Sue Parks (BSU/EMU), Mo Banton (Ohio), Rich Ceronie (Miami), Steve Price and Sid Sink (BG) being very competitive at the NCAAs in both cross country and track. Then you have coaches like Dennis Mitchell and Bill Lawson and many others that have focused on more track and had tremendous success. Like the other guy said, if it is so easy, then please give us the secret formula!
To the guy who feels he can do better: You are right. We were not well rounded. We had good individuals to augment the cross country program. I had 10 scholarships tied up in distance. Spread out a total of about 17 scholarships to 40+ women and many didn't score in the non-distance. Never really could get the throws going like the next coach did. Some really good sprinters and overall had great success in the LJ and TJ over the years. We lost the MAC 2012 outdoor because I couldn't piece together an even mediocre 4x4 (we were winning by 2.33 points going into the event. Sue Parks is FAR better than I ever was at taking at team to the NCAAs in xc and winning track titles. We were mediocre at track. You win! I concede! :)
Oh yeah...while you are fangirling over your win...just jot down for me the same level of scrutiny for LSU and USC while they are dead fuing last in their conference in xc and couldn't score a point over 1500m if their life depended on it. But hey...we will wait. I mean...you're apparently the guy that knows how to be great in every single event and still take a team to the NCAAs in XC. We are excited to hear from you and your wisdom.
PS: There is no need to even compare Andrea Grove McDonough and me. There is no comparison. She is a better coach and is clearly a much better human being than I am. I have known her for years and we chat and have chatted about the Toledo job. She is such a great person that I will easily concede to your observation! She is going to do a great job and hopefully exceed what I was able to do. Stunningly, after all that went down, I am still great friends with my former administrators and support people at UT and they are great people to work for and with so she will do amazing. So...yay for you! You win another point you're on a roll Butter Cup.
As far a social experiment: Tough call. I know it would be a very bold hire and would take an AD that truly understands the meaning of second chances. That AD would also have to be willing to talk about there being more sides to the story than what is written in an anonymous gossip rag. I have only seen a couple of jobs that would even be worth applying for. Not because they aren't good jobs but because I am sure they don't have an AD that would be open to the idea. Of the jobs I reached out on, there have been five, two were real possibilities and had ADs that were very open to the idea. The other three: one never called back (not a shock) and the other two already had someone and those people have been hired and discussed on this board. Pretty small sampling but I literally haven't applied for any jobs since early 2000s when I was offered the Vanderbilt job. Before that the only job I had applied for was in 1998 when I was hired at Toledo.
I do not want to be a head coach. Too much time. Too little money to put it as the 100% priority. Too large of headaches. I own a production company and I am a partner in another company in Myrtle Beach. Not to mention I am a working actor and have a new TV series that is funded and could show up on Netflix/Hulu in the next year. That will require time but certainly can work around the coaching.
I would probably be more interested in just volunteering somewhere. It is not about the money. But in the interest of feeding the trolls, I will see what happens. Your experiment will be fun and even more fun to see the total obsessed snowflake trolls blatting about it relentlessly to deaf ears.
Moving down towards the playing field...gotta love LRC baby.
~Kevin
Please come back to the Coaching Convention. This is what we miss. Need to get you hooked up with FloTrack
Eyo wrote:
Xc season wrote:
Some teams report this week for XC and don’t have a coach announced yet. Some schools without a coach include
Chattanooga- Assistant
Cornell-?
Dayton- Assistant Sprints/Jumps Needed
Miami- not announced yet
Monmouth- Director
Northwestern- Assistant
Oklahoma- ?
Purdue Fort Wayne- Head coach
Stanford- will likely hire another assistant
USF- if they hire one and Jenkins doesn’t coach it
Utah- Assistant needed
Yale- Assistant
Plus all the California schools that haven’t made hires/announced them yet.
Feel free to add to list, or if I missed someone hired to one of these schools.
Purdue FW is head Cross and assistant track?