Also, what happened to Newsum?
Also, what happened to Newsum?
Toasty wrote:
Also, what happened to Newsum?
If I had to guess, he overraced indoors, culminating in the 3rd place 5k. So now he's dialed way back, running a qualifying time and then staying out of it until conference.
Speaking of missing runners has Frederickson raced at all outdoors? I assume he is injured again? That could effect the 4x8 and open 8 quite a bit
Hammy.........done
That's very unfortunate. As a competitor and someone who does respect him, I hope he finds a way to compete at conference. that would be a poor way to end a collegiate career for such a nice guy.
Sooo Knobbe is steepling at conference?
That makes for a very tight 2 - 6 finish. This is very exciting stuff!
Yeah, he'll be right up there with 6th. He's 9 seconds back from Hinwood/Rosenau/O'Hare. If he did it alone tonight, sure. If he ran a 9:38 to win, sure. But he didn't do either of those things.
Unless he fell, he either didn't have the strength to keep up, didn't have the speed to hang with the guy's kick, or let himself get disconnected and couldn't make up the gap late in the race. None of these possibilities bode well for conference.
Confuzed wrote:
Yeah, he'll be right up there with 6th. He's 9 seconds back from Hinwood/Rosenau/O'Hare. If he did it alone tonight, sure. If he ran a 9:38 to win, sure. But he didn't do either of those things.
Unless he fell, he either didn't have the strength to keep up, didn't have the speed to hang with the guy's kick, or let himself get disconnected and couldn't make up the gap late in the race. None of these possibilities bode well for conference.
I disagree. This was his first steeple this year. I don't steeple, but you have to be a little rusty right? No reason he can't take 5-10 seconds off, it's a long race.
How does the conference steeple usually go? Honest? Tactical?
Where was the rest of the MIAC at this weekend? Resting in between MAC and UST?
Raceberry Jelly wrote:
Confuzed wrote:Yeah, he'll be right up there with 6th. He's 9 seconds back from Hinwood/Rosenau/O'Hare. If he did it alone tonight, sure. If he ran a 9:38 to win, sure. But he didn't do either of those things.
Unless he fell, he either didn't have the strength to keep up, didn't have the speed to hang with the guy's kick, or let himself get disconnected and couldn't make up the gap late in the race. None of these possibilities bode well for conference.
I disagree. This was his first steeple this year. I don't steeple, but you have to be a little rusty right? No reason he can't take 5-10 seconds off, it's a long race.
How does the conference steeple usually go? Honest? Tactical?
Where was the rest of the MIAC at this weekend? Resting in between MAC and UST?
I'd agree with that. Looking at most of the top guys in the conference, excluding O'Hare, most dropped quite a bit of time between their first and second steeple. Sort of like the 400H, gotta get used to hurdling again, I suppose!
And last year excluded, it's usually pretty honest. Steeple is just one of those events.
St Thomas will have a few runners to watch for in the 800 as well, especially after Halbmaier and that Karlson kid both dropping a 1:56. Not sure if they're looking for points in the open or the 4x8 but I'm curious to see what they'll throw down this weekend. Not sure where karlson came from though, he put down some quick times in hs but hasn't done much in college until recently, anyone know why? Injury?
I heard it was mostly health issues, until recently he's had low t problems due to an impulsive masturbation issue which was out of control until just recently. That's just word on the street tho, props to him if true, not an easy thing to overcome at that age.
St Thomas can be looking for all of the points they want in the open 8 but they won't be getting any. They may have a decent 4x8 somewhere between 3-5 but they don't have anyone that will score individually outside of a miracle.
Carleton, Gustavus, and St Olaf all have 3 or more guys running 1:56 as well as having a stud to anchor. St Thomas will likely stack the relay since they have guys who won't be scoring individually and thus their relay will place well but if everyone stacks it they are not on the level of the top teams.
The Gusties are capable of giving Jerry and his mates a run for their money in the 4x8 as rumor is that all four of their guys are healthy again. Hoping Jerry runs it, both teams should be sub 7:40
Okay, okay, let’s hold off on the sub 7:40 talk here. I don’t think people realize how hard that actually is. Looking back at the wonderful (sarcasm) database that is Raceberry, With one exception, no one has really come close to breaking 7:40 in the past 7 years. That exception was in 2012 when St. Thomas, St. Olaf, and Bethel REALLY stacked their 4x800’s.
St. Thomas, who took the win, had a squad with a lineup with season bests that looked like this:
Doug Thoresen - 1:54.68
Grant Timm - 1:56.16
Doug Mueller - 1:54.75
Mike Hutton - 1:49.45
This team is much more stacked that Carleton’s current best 800m squad, and even includes a better anchor than Donson. Their final time at conference? 7:40.64.
Perhaps you’re thinking that you can’t solo a sub 7:40? Well, they didn’t.
St. Olaf was second behind them with a squad with seasons bests such as:
Grant Wintheiser - *No outdoor 800m time, but went 1:56.66 indoors
Anders Nienstaedt - 1:53.93
Brian Tomlinson - 1:52.23
Brain Saska - 1:51.91
So, even if we assumed that Wintheiser only ran about a 1:56, this squad is even better than the St. Thomas squad above on paper and monumentally better than Carleton is currently! So they must have taken it to them the whole race until the very end, and they fell short of 7:40 as well (7:43).
For the sake of it, Bethel’s squad finished 3rd in 7:46 and had runners such as Haskins, Berens, and Schafer on their team. All notable studs.
I’m not trying to put down this year’s 4x800m squads saying that they are nothing in comparison, rather I am just saying that we should keep our expectations on time low. Rather, let’s focus on the gamers and who races well when it comes down to it.
Someone is trolling pretty hard with this one. Stop trying to make other teams look like arrogant pricks by making stupid posts like this.
Just Me wrote:
The Gusties are capable of giving Jerry and his mates a run for their money in the 4x8 as rumor is that all four of their guys are healthy again. Hoping Jerry runs it, both teams should be sub 7:40
I mean you got Fredrickson, Fredrickson, Madigan, and Sandberg. That's a solid 4x800.
The issue is that at least one would have to PR, w or 3 more likely to be under 7:40. And NO ONE prs in the 1st 3 legs of the MIAC 4x800. It's about as tactical as a relay can get. People more concerned about what place they're in when they hand off rather than how much they can gap the teams saving their big guns for the end. A 7:50 wins it most years for a reason. What's more, stacked teams are the most likely to sit back for 3 legs because they have other events to do. The UST STO showdown of 2012 is the exception to the rule.
Well I heard the bubs are going for it again this year. Expect 2017 to be the new exception to reference for when you guys are talking about the 4x8 several years from now. While it may be true that it takes quite a smackin team to break 740, it is also true that a handful of bubs on one miac team are pretty good at smacking ;)
What does that mean?
Crust wrote:
What does that mean?
I typed it into Google translate, and all it said was "the dogs are gonna get their peckers kenneled".
Second only to increasing racism, Saint Olaf's distance squad's vocabulary is the worst part about the MIAC.