Per his FB page, Rob is sleeping now on Rte 94 on the edge of the Reformed Conservation Area near Steedman and will be heading to Portland tonight. He said that the RV is parked. Anybody close by????
Per his FB page, Rob is sleeping now on Rte 94 on the edge of the Reformed Conservation Area near Steedman and will be heading to Portland tonight. He said that the RV is parked. Anybody close by????
If Scott Jurek can do it... wrote:
Rather than spending all the time and money to spend a team to tail him, why not have someone that owns a drone find the RV without being too conspicuous and film from above for an hour during daylight. This way Young and his team won't know they're being tracked and we would have conclusive evidence proof if he is not actually running near the RV. If a team of runners show up to tail him he can jump out and start running, but he can't fake it if he never knows the drone is watching.
YES!!! DRONES!!!!
Hey Coachkev, quick question.
Maybe you already answered this, but...
How were you able to run sub 7 minute miles with this guy when your 5k best is only 21 minutes?
Mike Ross wrote:
So many people in ultra are cheats
Truth.
Very succinct and measured. I think you have summed it up really well there and I probably am in agreement. I do think Rob is capable but I don't know about all his other claims. I think he addressed the 10k thing at one point - reckon he had basically put up his fastest 10k whcih was run during a marathon rather than an official time for a 10k race. He has since clarified this on his site.
As for his first three marathons, I don't know about those although sometimes I think people are capable of very surprising things. If you'd told me a few months ago I'd run 52 miles a day for 17 days and not feel tired at the end of each day, I would never have believed you. So I surprised myself and am prepared to be surprised by others.
Whether you are a believer, or a detractor, this will serve your purposes. Our only goal is to verify what is actually happening.... any leftover funds will be donated to Robert's Charity, if he can produce the same sort of results he has had without monitors... or to Myelin Research for MS if he cannot.
He could really turn this around spectacularly. He could disprove all the naysayers by wearing a Garmin and allowing some of the ultra dudes to run with him. Just think of the extra publicity and money raising potential if he is genuine. Surely he couldn't turn down the added weight of the well-oiled Letsrun Brojo's machine helping his deserving charities?
Mike Ross wrote:
So many people in ultra are cheats, it's great when one gets exposed.
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I just spent two hours reading
http://www.marathoninvestigation.com/- what are you referring to?
apersson wrote:
Very succinct and measured. I think you have summed it up really well there and I probably am in agreement. I do think Rob is capable but I don't know about all his other claims. I think he addressed the 10k thing at one point - reckon he had basically put up his fastest 10k whcih was run during a marathon rather than an official time for a 10k race. He has since clarified this on his site.
As for his first three marathons, I don't know about those although sometimes I think people are capable of very surprising things. If you'd told me a few months ago I'd run 52 miles a day for 17 days and not feel tired at the end of each day, I would never have believed you. So I surprised myself and am prepared to be surprised by others.
No way he split a 30:47 10K in a marathon. Pure rubbish. I bet Rob couldn't break 10 mins in a 2 mile race/time trial.
apersson wrote:
Sorry, maybe should have checked his time before saying that. What was it? I just remember being impressed at the time that he had taken a day off from race across USA and ran it in what seemed a pretty decent time including the interview which I watched, then flew back to the States to complete two marathons in a day to make up.
He ran London Marathon 2015 in 3:07. He was running Race Across the USA at the time. I've looked at his splits, photos, and results and I don't see anything immediately unusual about his time, pace, or results for that.
It is odd that he shoots off the start so quickly and then fades drastically in his 3 certified marathons. We're not just talking about running 20 or 30 seconds per mile faster than he should, but like 80 or 90 seconds faster than he should. Really odd racing behavior. He should know the distance but he keeps starting with a pace that is not sustainable for even 10K for him.
We need to clarify. Rob seems like a competent runner. 3:07 in London is a decent marathon time for a recreational runner, especially while participating in the Race Across USA. And he can probably run 26 miles a day for day upon day at a slow pace. But his claims about his first 3 marathons in his book are ludicrous. And there is still no evidence that he was ever a pro cyclist. And the videos of the RV without him running are damning.
It sounds like some of the other claims are distortions and exaggerations. Sounds like he did participate in the 2004 ITU World Championships Triathlon in Sweden, but he didn't get a bronze medal. He was 10th out of 15 in his age group.
Sounds like the 10K PR (30:47) he claims on his website was actually a 7K split from a duathlon. (Someone else mentions that somewhere buried in this long thread.)
The immediate issue in this long thread is that Rob Young claims he is running across America at record pace, but at least some of it, he is riding in his RV instead.
apersson wrote:he had basically put up his fastest 10k whcih was run during a marathon rather than an official time for a 10k race. He has since clarified this on his site.
He did? He explained how his 10k PR pace is faster than his 5k PR? He ran a fourth of a marathon at a 2:10 marathon pace (under 5 minutes per mile)? What Kenyans was he running with?
His site says "10km 30:47 – 33:52 during a Marathon (london marathon first 10km 36:31)"
If the 30:47 and the 33:52 were both during a marathon, why list the 33:52? Can you show on the site where he clarified this? It's confusing.
Don't forget his forgotten attempt to establish himself as an elite triathlon in 2012 and 2013 because he was piss poor at it. I don't know how this story consolidates his new "story" of nobody who got abused but started to run 2014 out of nowhere to sub 31 10K.
Yes very confusing. The clarification is because previously he just had the 5k and 10k times up with no attempt at explanation. I think what he is saying is that he ran the first part of a marathon in that time - not sure why he gives two times and I assume he gives the London times as they are officially recorded. He did do a lot of marathons like that, running at very high pace to start with then slowing right down for second half. Don't know why, but he felt it was a useful way to run consecutive marathons.
What would be the logical assessment if yo had to guess? Where was Rob? Inside the RV or where? Did he take a different route than the RV? Remember RV has the tracker and not Rob. If you want us to believe he is legit because he can sleep walk better than 15 min/mile, why can't you take a wild guess as to where he is or was running?
apersson wrote:
I think he addressed the 10k thing at one point - reckon he had basically put up his fastest 10k whcih was run during a marathon rather than an official time for a 10k race. He has since clarified this on his site.
What has he clarified.
apersson wrote:
As for his first three marathons, I don't know about those...
Seems like you're slowly coming around to reality, now go to bed and read the whole thread first thing in the morning and you may find yourself on the same page as the rest of us.
elephino wrote:
apersson wrote:he had basically put up his fastest 10k whcih was run during a marathon rather than an official time for a 10k race. He has since clarified this on his site.He did? He explained how his 10k PR pace is faster than his 5k PR? He ran a fourth of a marathon at a 2:10 marathon pace (under 5 minutes per mile)? What Kenyans was he running with?
His site says "10km 30:47 – 33:52 during a Marathon (london marathon first 10km 36:31)"
If the 30:47 and the 33:52 were both during a marathon, why list the 33:52? Can you show on the site where he clarified this? It's confusing.
Rob can run side by side with Kenyans a quarter of the marathon distance. Sure. Totally believable. LMFAO
I've been running ultras since 2008 and have rarely heard of instances of cheating, although I'm not an RD either so haven't been in a position to verify the results. Yes, it does occur, but to infer that "many" people are cheaters in the sport is off-base and disparaging to the great majority of us who don't cheat. I would venture to say that cheating is more rampant at the marathon distance because the recognition is greater among the general public...ultras are still largely unknown to most people and somewhat of a fringe sport.
Going on his past history there's no way this fella ran 30:47 for 10k and to have done it in a marathon is pure fantasy, it's right up there with all his other outlandish claims.
So f-king true. He had to be right up front with the big guns if "PRed" in the marathon sub 31. 5'7 175 lb running neck to neck with those who are at least 50 lbs lighter. Yes. That is really believable.