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11 years ago 11/14/2013 2:18am EST

re: phredryka

phredryka wrote:
Stick it in your thesis wrote:
I don't think you understand the concept of a Dead Horse.
If Kip would explain how he cheated and/or at least confess that he cheated, everyone would have moved on years ago.
It's the continued denial that keeps it alive. Anyone who has toed the line at a race, and honestly completed the distance is impacted, especially those who lost awards to him and his cheating ways. EPO requires testing to prove. Cheating requires all the evidence on worldrecordrun.com and soklr to prove. The LRC community has the proof. It's maddening that he won't confess.
If he was honestly running the claimed times, he would take Rojo up on his offer and make some easy money. But he's not... and somehow he's invested enough to defend or pay others to defend him on this thread.
He still cares about defending his lies.
That means I still care about calling him out on them.
The horse will die when he comes clean.

I believe he is just a delusional idiot fixing the teeth of his blue collar clientele. His customers may not even have the Internet (cant afford it) or think to google their dentist.

11 years ago 11/14/2013 9:31am EST

re: student_first

Dan Baxley, why does he think Kip is innocent?

Does Lisa Litton think her husband is innocent? As an attorney, if she thinks he is innocent then why isn't she going after the New Yorker?

11 years ago 11/15/2013 10:49pm EST

re: Skip Demats Track Club

When will kip confess?

11 years ago 11/16/2013 12:25pm EST

re: Dr Litton's office

I was just talkin to a dude who was making me a burrito at whole foods and he told me he had read all about Kip Litton on letsrun

11 years ago 11/16/2013 11:19pm EST

re: Trollist the First

Trollist the First wrote:
[quote]Reality in perspective wrote:
This is an open letter to all those who have kept tabs on this debacle. It is the closest thing to truth and reality that you will ever read. The reason for this is that it is coming from those that are closest to the actual events, unlike the predictable regurgitated crap on Lets Run that comes from odd-balls who have little or no connection at all to Kip. I am one of a number of Kip's friends who have had extensive group discussions with Kip, his wife, his kids and fellow runners. He has also shared with us emails and an audio recording of his interview with Mark Singer. The vast majority of what we have read online is inundated with glaring errors, deception and misinformation. The reason for this, in large part, is simply because the online point of view is coming mainly from people who have never even had any meaningful contact with those involved.
From the beginning Kip has been steadfast that he has nothing to hide and would talk to anyone about anything. His only condition was that it was not in a forum where people could remain anonymous. When we hear things like "Kip isn't talking", it is 100% false- he has always been open and forthright. We have grilled him and his family on many of the issues raised here on Lets Run. He has been open and transparent with all explanations, and his family has independently confirmed them. Just because YOU have not been present for these discussions does not mean they DIDN'T happen. Also, Lets Run management has done a major disservice to the quest for truth by deleting many posts that are indicative of his innocence. This is deceptive and manipulative in and of itself. It is sad to see an entity that is supposed to be unbiased purposely skew the truth. A cheating scandal of this magnitude could never have been pulled off without the aid of either a car, a bike or other accomplices. His family confirmed that he never had access to any of these things. Some races don't allow vehicles and some have so many road closures, navigating around is impossible. These factors at Boston plus 9 timing mats have eliminated cheating for times in the sub-3 range. And yet Kip ran Boston 8 straight times without issue.
For those that claim that the evidence that Kip has presented is not sufficient enough are failing to understand one thing- that is you CAN NOT prove a negative. Cheating can be proven, but NOT cheating can not be proven. Guess what? There are no other runners (aside from those with a video cam on them from start to finish) who could prove they didn't cheat either! Kip actually has much more evidence in his favor than the vast majority of other runners- in addition to the testimony that he had no car or bike, he had family confirm he was at random spots (plus all the timing mats) along many of the courses where he handed them excess gear or was given drinks. Mark Singer had access to this info but chose to not use it. Why would he- his story would have imploded. Remember, he writes for the same New Yorker that fired writer Jonah Lehrer for fabricating info the same week that Mark's fairy tale was published. Uncanny irony.
Kip was running decent times and winning races and triathlons for several years before anyone ever tried to claim cheating. How does one win a race or triathlon and cheat undetected? Ridiculous! Still to this day, there is not even one person who has even ever said they saw him cheat in any of his 200+ races. Ridiculous! One of Kip's training partner's confirmed with us and Mark Singer that Kip's reported finish times were all within his capabilities. Ridiculous!
Kip has no interest in a lawsuit despite his wife being an outstanding attorney. He has a lifelong spotless ethical track record, many friends and a community that loves him. He has nothing to gain by wasting his time in court. Again, you can't prove a negative. The Lets Run post that stated that there is a disconnect between perception online and that in reality couldn't have been more accurate.
I am defending my friend because when you see a friend get painted falsely, that's what friends do. And what are most of the sick people here doing? Let me sum up this absurdity- long after the issue was DEAD, you are STILL here in a forum that Kip DOESN'T even use, relentlessly bashing him over UNCONFIRMED claims from amateur races from YEARS ago, when you DON'T know him and have NEVER even questioned him!! And if this isn't malicious enough, you do this to someone who has a young child with a terminal illness. Just despicable.

11 years ago 11/16/2013 11:24pm EST

re: clear as day

Kip Litton, stop being a fool

Give it up already

11 years ago 11/17/2013 12:41pm EST

re: clear as day

clear as day

Trollist the First

Reality in perspective.

Let's pretend that you aren't one and the same person and let's pretend that your knowledge of running is so poor that you can be hoodwinked.

Firstly the "you can't prove a negative" defence is baloney, nobody is asking anyone to.

Instead explain the DQs, the invented races with fictional results (not just once), the changes of clothes, the covering of the race numbers.

11 years ago 11/17/2013 4:08pm EST

re: Inspector Clouseau

Http://Kiplitton.blogspot.com

The front page has been updated with a note about Rojo's $2000 offer to monitor Dr. Kip Litton to run a marathon in 2014 in under 3:30

11 years ago 11/18/2013 1:12am EST

re: Kirkaz

I think Rojo's money is safeKip is too busy on S State Rd eating Big Macs at the McDonalds

Kirkaz wrote:
Http://Kiplitton.blogspot.com
The front page has been updated with a note about Rojo's $2000 offer to monitor Dr. Kip Litton to run a marathon in 2014 in under 3:30

11 years ago 11/18/2013 6:41am EST

re: clear as day

One of Kip's training partner's confirmed with us and Mark Singer that Kip's reported finish times were all within his capabilities. Ridiculous!

UNCONFIRMED claims from amateur races from YEARS ago, when you DON'T know him and have NEVER even questioned him!! [/quote]

+1[/quote]

One of his training partner's??? Who??? Have come on here and I'll email him and meet with him, as obviously he'd have no problem doing that, right?

UNCONFIRMED claims??? He was disqualified from the 2009 Solstice 10k for cheating, you know, not running the entire course. It was not UNCONFIRMED, but instead factual. Your rebuttal to that race???

He didn't start in the back and pass all of those runners on that day...didn't happen. Not knowing him has nothing to do with it, we're talking about not running the full distance on a race course that every one else did. I would love to see him start at the back of the Solstice this year and pass even half the people he claimed to have on that day...he couldn't do it.

If you'd like me to question him I will gladly meet with him and do a thorough questioning with facts, facts that he can't dispute.

11 years ago 11/18/2013 9:11am EST

re: phredryka

phredryka wrote:
Stick it in your thesis wrote:
I don't think you understand the concept of a Dead Horse.
If Kip would explain how he cheated and/or at least confess that he cheated, everyone would have moved on years ago.
It's the continued denial that keeps it alive. Anyone who has toed the line at a race, and honestly completed the distance is impacted, especially those who lost awards to him and his cheating ways. EPO requires testing to prove. Cheating requires all the evidence on worldrecordrun.com and soklr to prove. The LRC community has the proof. It's maddening that he won't confess.
If he was honestly running the claimed times, he would take Rojo up on his offer and make some easy money. But he's not... and somehow he's invested enough to defend or pay others to defend him on this thread.
He still cares about defending his lies.
That means I still care about calling him out on them.
The horse will die when he comes clean.

Yes siR!!!!

11 years ago 11/18/2013 5:09pm EST

re: Dan Baxley's boyfriend

Not taking sides here but I can vouch for Kip Litton for the first 22 miles of the 2004 Richmond Marathon. We both ran in a 3:10 pace group of about 10 guys. We were all together for the first 10-12 miles then one by one some of the guys fell off. There were 4 of us & the group leader around mile 22 when Kip & another dude dropped us. I never saw him after that but he finished in 3:08. Can someone explain to me how a dude could cheat when surrounded by 5-10 guys for 22 miles? I'm all ears...

11 years ago 11/18/2013 5:50pm EST

re: Viginia Lover

11 years ago 11/18/2013 6:42pm EST

re: Viginia Lover

Viginia Lover wrote:
Not taking sides here but I can vouch for Kip Litton for the first 22 miles of the 2004 Richmond Marathon. We both ran in a 3:10 pace group of about 10 guys. We were all together for the first 10-12 miles then one by one some of the guys fell off. There were 4 of us & the group leader around mile 22 when Kip & another dude dropped us. I never saw him after that but he finished in 3:08. Can someone explain to me how a dude could cheat when surrounded by 5-10 guys for 22 miles? I'm all ears...

that was well before the well-documented cheating.

and evidence that he's not capable of the low-to-mid 2:50's

Richmond is an easy course to cut, but hard to cut and get away with it, with the chip mat at 20 miles quite a ways out from the finish.

11 years ago 11/18/2013 6:55pm EST

re: knewhimbackintheday

If Kip would only understand that it's honorable to finish the full course, even if it takes more time that you want it to, then we wouldn't be talking like this about him.

11 years ago 11/18/2013 7:29pm EST

re: Viginia Lover

Viginia Lover wrote:
Not taking sides here but I can vouch for Kip Litton for the first 22 miles of the 2004 Richmond Marathon. We both ran in a 3:10 pace group of about 10 guys. We were all together for the first 10-12 miles then one by one some of the guys fell off. There were 4 of us & the group leader around mile 22 when Kip & another dude dropped us. I never saw him after that but he finished in 3:08. Can someone explain to me how a dude could cheat when surrounded by 5-10 guys for 22 miles? I'm all ears...

Nobody ever said that he couldn't run a 3:08 marathon at age 43.

Please explain him cheating in a 10k race in Michigan, with proof that he cheated. I'm all ears...

11 years ago 11/18/2013 11:54pm EST

re: Michigan Lover

I believe Kip Litton is a fvcKtard. Id love to kick him in the balls if I saw him but I can't because id get in trouble.

11 years ago 11/19/2013 9:40am EST

re: Michigan Lover

Michigan Lover wrote:
Please explain him cheating in a 10k race in Michigan, with proof that he cheated. I'm all ears...

Picture of him in final yards: completely dry tee shirt on a VERY hot day, on a VERY demanding course. He was asked by the RD to account for his race and Kip did NOT reply. RD DQ'd him. No protest from Kip. If you felt you were innocent of charges, you damn well know you, gentle LR poster, would be quick to explain yourself. Kip didn't. He couldn't. Busted. The course is a piece of cake to cheat.

11 years ago 11/19/2013 10:56pm EST

re: Fast Forward

Fast Forward wrote:
Michigan Lover wrote:
Please explain him cheating in a 10k race in Michigan, with proof that he cheated. I'm all ears...
Picture of him in final yards: completely dry tee shirt on a VERY hot day, on a VERY demanding course. He was asked by the RD to account for his race and Kip did NOT reply. RD DQ'd him. No protest from Kip. If you felt you were innocent of charges, you damn well know you, gentle LR poster, would be quick to explain yourself. Kip didn't. He couldn't. Busted. The course is a piece of cake to cheat.

And that's only one of at least 20 examples of this same type of behavior

11 years ago 11/20/2013 1:09am EST

re: rojo

In a year or two Rojo will make a thread asking about what's going on in this thread.

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