rojo wrote:
What is going on with the thread? When I started reading it on Monday, it was like a normal thread. Now I can't keep up with it and it's full of crap.
Who is posting?
It seems to be a rather dedicated troll who claims to have a very small penis, as someone else pointed out he seems way too dedicated to be your run of the mill troll, possibly over-compensating?
I just keep up with it because it shows what lengths cheaters go to covering their tracks or trying to harm anyone who tells them the truth. Happens to me so much, I’ve gotten used to it.
Took me a while wrote:
To those people who claimed Frank is guilty because he responded that he is going to sue Derek for libel and retained counsel...
What would you do, in Frank's shoes?
Not cheating and lying repeatedly in the first place would be a good start.
Hi, Tron.
rojo wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
The first 30 pages of this thread took almost 2 months, the last 30 took 3 days! I guess the trolls want to make Meza the most famous cheater ever. And unlike his marathons, also the fastest.
What is going on with the thread? When I started reading it on Monday, it was like a normal thread. Now I can't keep up with it and it's full of crap.
Who is posting? I mean there isn't really anything to post about. The guy is a cheat. Period. What are we debating at this point?
I figured anyone defending him was joking around as a troll but there appear to be 5 pages of it.
He's a very dedicated troll. I kind of like him, he's stealing a lot of quotes from various sources and it makes me feel smart because I know where he's getting them from.
Thread Update:
While the volume of posts in the last few days have been inflated by 2 or 3 trolls (possibly only one--TMAW--who began with racist rant, but then apparently took his meds and settled down by this morning).
But don't miss the great work done by Too Much Time on My Hands, documenting thru sequential photo sheets, the number of races in which FM uniquely is missing from course photos.
I also think the most recent posts by someone claiming to be Scott Dominguez represent a potentially interesting turn.
I still think the idea of a 'Challenge for Charity' on behalf of LR would be useful. The 'reward' should be for the achievement of an actual 70-74 age group record time at any distance of Frank's choosing.
If I was to use my Dave Proctor method of investigating on FM, it would run like this...
If FM wanted to age like fine wine & get faster & faster until he was an AG WR holder...he would HAVE to cheat.
If FM were to race a big-city marathon without being photographed many times, he would have to cheat.
If FM wanted to dance all over the course like a little kid, sometimes really fast & sometimes really slow, without getting tired or going below WR pace, he would have to cheat.
Scott, please email me
derek@marathoninvestigation.com
I want to confirm that you are the real Scott. Can never be certain on here.
-Derek
jesseriley wrote:
I just keep up with it because it shows what lengths cheaters go to covering their tracks or trying to harm anyone who tells them the truth. Happens to me so much, I’ve gotten used to it.
jesseriley: I can't imagine someone trying to harm someone as polite and nice as you.
rojo wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
The first 30 pages of this thread took almost 2 months, the last 30 took 3 days! I guess the trolls want to make Meza the most famous cheater ever. And unlike his marathons, also the fastest.
What is going on with the thread? When I started reading it on Monday, it was like a normal thread. Now I can't keep up with it and it's full of crap.
Who is posting? I mean there isn't really anything to post about. The guy is a cheat. Period. What are we debating at this point?
I figured anyone defending him was joking around as a troll but there appear to be 5 pages of it.
It's just junk. One or two people pretending to believe that they're unpersuaded, and a number of others who seem to believe that it's nevertheless a productive exercise to respond, as if they're all engaging in some sort of Socratic dialogue. But it's just junk, and it's a shame.
And my favorite...
If FM was a super-nice guy who’s curing cancer & mentoring youth, but he wanted an AG WR...he would have to cheat, because running only requires talent & training. Only cheaters would cite personal qualities as justifying their speed.
Thanks Scott for actually looking at the evidence. I'm sure it isn't easy to find out a close friend has been deceiving you for years. If you look back far enough in the thread, the lack of photos is an ongoing theme for Frank, going back to Long Beach, Surf City, San Francisco, and other races. Unless he has the power of invisibility, he's been doing this for about a decade.
Roderick, I can’t imagine you’re happy that I keep reminding everyone how you tried to stomp on the investigation in March.
Scott Dominguez wrote:
I don’t and have never practiced law in the area of defamation. However, for those questioning my legal expertise based on a previous post and the use of the word slander, I was referring to this -
https://youtu.be/tL2a-7KUfMoAs for representing Frank Meza, I am not. The original email & comment to the LA Times was as a friend at Frank’s request. However, having spent some time on Derek Murphy’s website, I am beginning to second guess my decision as well as our friendship, I get the distinct feeling I have been duped. I feel I need to have a “frank” discussion with him.
I find the consistent lack of photos one of the most damning pieces of evidence. Having only run one marathon myself, how likely is it that someone who doesn’t look like they would be running at the front end of the field but is would be intentionally ignored by the photographers?
BTW – All posts here under Scott Dominguez have been by me, I posted initially unregistered and then registered it to prevent others from using it.
Thanks Scott for keeping an open mind on this and considering the evidence. I think that the more you look, the more compelling it gets.
It is very tough to find out that our heroes can have the proverbial "feet of clay". It has happened to me on a personal level and of course in the public area (Bill Cosby being a recent example) throughout the years. We must always keep that precious grain of salt that keeps us from being completely duped or crushed by reality.
Calling Diogenes wrote:
Took me a while wrote:
To those people who claimed Frank is guilty because he responded that he is going to sue Derek for libel and retained counsel...
What would you do, in Frank's shoes?
Not cheating and lying repeatedly in the first place would be a good start.
Seriously, it would depend on whether I was guilty of cheating. If not, I would do as has been suggested on this thread. I would become the poster boy for transparency. I would invite all, including a few "other" elites my next interval session. (and make it a tough one) I would schedule my next marathon and announce it. I would be seeking to be in front of cameras and do interviews. Frank Meza knows what he could do to protect his reputation, if only he was innocent of the accusations.
Took me a while wrote:
To those people who claimed Frank is guilty because he responded that he is going to sue Derek for libel and retained counsel...
What would you do, in Frank's shoes?
You have an anonymous person call you, whom you've never heard of, threatening to expose you as a marathon cheat. Obviously you love running. You know you didn't cheat. What's the alternative? Bribe Derek to keep quiet? If he didn't cheat he's not going to admit to cheating!
Let me call any of your wives (anonymously) and claim that you've been cheating on them. What is your response? 100% you're threatening to get the law involved and sue me.
But it's different here because he's an old Latino who runs faster than you.
Hey dummy, what could he do?
He could run the course with a monitor.
Avocado's Number wrote:
It's just junk. One or two people pretending to believe that they're unpersuaded, and a number of others who seem to believe that it's nevertheless a productive exercise to respond, as if they're all engaging in some sort of Socratic dialogue. But it's just junk, and it's a shame.
No casual troll is as dedicated as this one was, it certainly appeared that he was attempting to make it look to someone who came into this thread after reading a story on one of the many news outlets that there is doubt here about the substance of the evidence. I'm sorry but just because you personally don't like it that I will engage with someone I know to be a troll does not mean I will do what you think best.
In the Litton and Rossi threads considerable attempts were made by sockpuppets to cast doubt on the evidence, taking your stance surely means that this type of thing is allowed to stand unchallenged.
Ultra or Die wrote:
Hey dummy, what could he do?
He could run the course with a monitor.
He certainly could. He doesn't _have_ to. The threat of ruining someone's life if he doesn't comply with the wishes of an anonymous messageboard is beyond the pale. It's a shame you all are too oblivious to realize that.
jesseriley wrote:
Roderick, I can’t imagine you’re happy that I keep reminding everyone how you tried to stomp on the investigation in March.
I think it took longer than March for me to accept the sad truth. It is not a bother some things you say. You are not hurting me. I have no doubt that Frank Meza's cheating m/o has been simple and consistent. Start late and inconspicuously, go off course, stay off course as much as possible, than finish quietly and get out of Dodge. It got more complicated after CIM. He adapted (requiring more entrances and exits), but the basic m/o was the same. Because of FM's odd behavior on the KTLA live feed video from LAM 2018, and the "cutting off of the timing chip" habit of FM....that bib mules may have been used. If FM involved others (including off course) that would be a shame. FM not admitting his guilt by now is a red flag that there could be more to this than we yet know.
Inside information? - Sort of. wrote:
The truth hurts, but sometimes it's the only way. wrote:
"Meza Addresses The Loyola Track Team
On Saturday morning, Frank addressed the Loyola HS Track Team at practice. Frank denied that he cut any courses..."
Source: marathoninvestigation.com
There's more than one reputation on the line with this saga and it's about to unravel.
My info is he's not coming clean because if he does the first questions will be:
1. How did you do it?
2. Was there anyone else involved?
3. Who else knew about it?
Scott Dominguez' Dog, Ralph wrote:
Inside information? - Sort of. wrote:
My info is
You don't know Jack. There's nobody on the planet he'd admit this to, save the person who drove him around.
Give me a break.
HEY DOGBOY, THE DOMINOES ARE STARTING TO FALL AND QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED.
Scott Dominguez wrote:
I don’t and have never practiced law in the area of defamation. However, for those questioning my legal expertise based on a previous post and the use of the word slander, I was referring to this -
As for representing Frank Meza, I am not. The original email & comment to the LA Times was as a friend at Frank’s request. However, having spent some time on Derek Murphy’s website, I am beginning to second guess my decision as well as our friendship, I get the distinct feeling I have been duped. I feel I need to have a “frank” discussion with him.
I find the consistent lack of photos one of the most damning pieces of evidence. Having only run one marathon myself, how likely is it that someone who doesn’t look like they would be running at the front end of the field but is would be intentionally ignored by the photographers?
BTW – All posts here under Scott Dominguez have been by me, I posted initially unregistered and then registered it to prevent others from using it.