Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Trollminator wrote:

"Rudy, sure I have heard of him... look, I meet with a lot of people. I don't know him. I may have spoken to him before... but.. look, we are not close ok. I heard he's a good guy and clearly he's being persecuted by the fake media, and the deep state. I wish him well." -- this is probably too articulate.

https://twitter.com/kirstendanis/status/1389660739770667010?s=20

Pretty good impression. And a LOT better than too many emojis.

agip wrote:

note that none of this Cheney vs. Stefanik stuff is about policy.

It's only about the willingness to lie about Trump and support autocracy. . . .

The worrying thing is that GOP leadership must believe that Trump or at least Trumpism isn't going away in the next couple election cycles. McConnell sort of tried to bury it with his impeachment speech, but it didn't stick at all. Any republican who persists in calling out the BS is being marginalized.

My impression from the 2016 primary was that the GOP had lost control of their base and now they're just riding that monster. I don't know how this ends well for anybody.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

agip wrote:

note that none of this Cheney vs. Stefanik stuff is about policy.

It's only about the willingness to lie about Trump and support autocracy. . . .

The worrying thing is that GOP leadership must believe that Trump or at least Trumpism isn't going away in the next couple election cycles. McConnell sort of tried to bury it with his impeachment speech, but it didn't stick at all. Any republican who persists in calling out the BS is being marginalized.

My impression from the 2016 primary was that the GOP had lost control of their base and now they're just riding that monster. I don't know how this ends well for anybody.

many of them tried to walk away from trumpism and then had to come crawling back.

McCarthy

Graham

Sasse

McConnell

They know that the base loathes Bush-era Republicans as much as they loathe Democrats.

So yeah they ride the monster. Party over country. Autocracy and lies over democracy and truth.

This is how democracies die. When a large part of the population refuses to lose elections and admit truth.

Big troubles ahead. I thought we might be ok when the Rs started turning against trump, but that lasted a week. Now they are back on the road to ending democracy. I dont' know how this ends well.

Most likely Mitch will retire next year if the Ds hold the senate. That takes away one major non-trump pole in the party.

Even if trump dies he will live on, is another scary part. As a ghost he will continue to exert power on the morans, even as Reagan influenced the Rs until Trump came along in 2016.

Reagan would not be elected anything these days.

The dems will lose the House in 2022. Red wave is coming.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/losing-texas-candidate-issues-warning-2022-could-be-major-setback-for-democrats_3801911.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

The dems will lose the House in 2022. Red wave is coming.

https://m.theepndidate-issues-warning-2022-could-be-major-setback-for-democrats_3801911.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport

probably.

and then the party that attempted to overthrow the 2020 presidential election both legislatively and violently will have control of the electoral college process in 2024.

God help this nation.

amusing that the new leader of the GOP convention in the house is more lefty than probably 95% of the base.

but she lies for the kommander and is in favor of overthrowing elections so she's got the job.

If she doesn't change her voting pattern she might not last too long.

But I'm sure she'll become more fashy.

She clearly has no backbone or interest in truth so she'll just keep bending.

just imagine if half the elected Rs in DC acted with decency, honesty and patriotism like Cheney.

She is choosing to defend democracy and the truth by falling on her sword instead of bending the knee to a violent seditionist. She's sticking to the truth and democracy. Profile in Courage.

Just imagine how much better this country could be if we had another 100 Cheneys in DC.

Politico:

But Cheney appears completely comfortable with the idea that she may be toppled for sticking to her beliefs. Even with her leadership job on the line, Cheney continued to double down this week, sending a clear signal to her colleagues that she won't go quietly.

After the former president attempted to rebrand the 2020 election itself as the real “BIG LIE” on Monday, Cheney shot back at Trump on Twitter: “The 2020 presidential election was not stolen. Anyone who claims it was is spreading THE BIG LIE, turning their back on the rule of law, and poisoning our democratic system.”

Then, later Monday night, at a closed-door conference in Georgia, CNN reported that Cheney called Trump’s false election fraud claims “a poison in the bloodstream of our democracy” and said that “we can’t whitewash what happened” on Jan. 6.

agip wrote:

amusing that the new leader of the GOP convention in the house is more lefty than probably 95% of the base.

but she lies for the kommander and is in favor of overthrowing elections so she's got the job.

If she doesn't change her voting pattern she might not last too long.

But I'm sure she'll become more fashy.

She clearly has no backbone or interest in truth so she'll just keep bending.

Me thinks we are seeing a slight shift in voter appeal strategy from owning the libs to now overthrow elections and install a dictator. They primed the base long enough for this, now they will see just how well it worked.

Trollminator wrote:

agip wrote:

amusing that the new leader of the GOP convention in the house is more lefty than probably 95% of the base.

but she lies for the kommander and is in favor of overthrowing elections so she's got the job.

If she doesn't change her voting pattern she might not last too long.

But I'm sure she'll become more fashy.

She clearly has no backbone or interest in truth so she'll just keep bending.

Me thinks we are seeing a slight shift in voter appeal strategy from owning the libs to now overthrow elections and install a dictator. They primed the base long enough for this, now they will see just how well it worked.

agreed.

they know they can't continue to control the government as a minority and shrinking party so they will try to end democracy instead.

We need to kill the filibuster, fix the electoral count rules, and pass some kind of new voting rights act.

The Rs are testing the fences, looking for weaknesses. And finding them. We need to buttress the fences.

agip wrote:

note that none of this Cheney vs. Stefanik stuff is about policy.

It's only about the willingness to lie about Trump and support autocracy.

Stefanik is a moderate, Cheney is an arch conservative.

Cheney voted with Spanky far, far more than Stefanik voted with the former guy.

This is only, only, only about Soviet-style devotion to the personality cult of the fuhrer.

Yep, it's that bad now. The slightest hint that someone isn't supporting the big lie shall result in swift censure and expulsion. They don't even care if they complete the total alienation of another 5-10% of their base in doing so. There are a handful of Senate Rs who arguably won and are popular in part because they are not trump bootlickers. It would be some sweet sweet karma if this strategy ends up giving Dems not only some cushion in the Senate but actually 60 seats.

agip wrote:

We need to . . . . pass some kind of new voting rights act.

Here is a possible voting rights act.

-- Automatically register everyone to vote. People who do not want to vote do not have to.

-- Use the IRS database to establish place of residence.

-- Allow people to vote in-person wherever they like.

-- Voting places would have one ballot type for people voting in a district they live in (all local offices and measures). And another ballot for people from the state who are voting in a district where they do not live (only vote for national offices and statewide offices and measures). There can even be a third ballot type for out-of-state voters which only allow voting for national offices.

-- Mail-in ballots would have security features set at the national level, not the state level. States still create the ballots but address and voter ID and voter security code would be controlled nationwide. Security features would be updated every few years (like the security code on credit cards change).

The best fix to end the idiotic ballot recounts and law suits is to dump the Electoral College. Someone like Trump would have to challenge 8 millions votes overturn his defeat.

Also, recounts for state and local offices would be required to be done state of local level. No more of one party being allowed to pick which district they recount in for state or national offices (Governor, Senate, etc).

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

The dems will lose the House in 2022. Red wave is coming.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/losing-texas-candidate-issues-warning-2022-could-be-major-setback-for-democrats_3801911.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport

Yeah, I think it's probable.

But, not a good thing. People thought we as a country learned something from the last 4 years. The GOP hasn't.

We all in trouble.

agip wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Me thinks we are seeing a slight shift in voter appeal strategy from owning the libs to now overthrow elections and install a dictator. They primed the base long enough for this, now they will see just how well it worked.

agreed.

they know they can't continue to control the government as a minority and shrinking party so they will try to end democracy instead.

We need to kill the filibuster, fix the electoral count rules, and pass some kind of new voting rights act.

The Rs are testing the fences, looking for weaknesses. And finding them. We need to buttress the fences.

A majority of Ds are ready to go along with ending the filibuster. Biden is trying to show restraint and that he cares about doing things in a bipartisan manner. This is fine for a while but the hammer has to come down soon enough and all the niceties have to go out the window. Ds also need to shower the upcoming midterm election candidates with cash and support Stacey style voter movements. We are dealing with a GQP party full of traitors and nutcases who are anti-truth and who stand ready to subvert a democratic election process to survive.

still, I think you are too optimistic on how democracy works.

I don't think insisting on sedition and lies will cost the Rs many more votes.

The people who don't like lies and sedition have left already.

That, plus

It seems men love lies and sedition, even hispanic and black men. The tough talk and conspiracy theory of the GQP will *attract* voters. This country has tens of millions of stupid ignorant people and they vote.

Your confidence that the crazy will cost the Rs many votes is misplaced.

and another coach wrote:

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

The dems will lose the House in 2022. Red wave is coming.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/losing-texas-candidate-issues-warning-2022-could-be-major-setback-for-democrats_3801911.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=BonginoReport

Yeah, I think it's probable.

But, not a good thing. People thought we as a country learned something from the last 4 years. The GOP hasn't.

We all in trouble.

Not so fast. The House majority, sure they have a great chance and are well positioned. In fact, the McQarty trump adoration tactics is likely to pay off with the base of angry mouth breathers in hotly contested districts. They will be more motivated. However, if 2020 was any indication about the broader tolerance of dictator types who love to crime and not get anything done, then the Ds will solidify their majority in the Senate and Biden, as long as he's breathing, will win easily. That is not a red wave.

It's clear Rs see this as the final blow to their party. If there is a federal voting rights law that protects voters from GQP tyranny at the state level and gives them all easy voting access, it would crush any chance of the GQP achieving a majority in the Senate and likely even the House, and for a very long time until they start over.

Their survival right now hinges completely on enforcing the big lie and preventing people from voting. That is irrefutable.

pollsters are starting to do generic ballots.

Dems +5 right now.

Not sure but I think the Ds have to get to D+7 in order to control the House, due to Dem clustering in cities and gerrymandering.

So it's close right now.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

I hope you are wrong... at least in the long run. I think the bet they are placing on this strategy may work for the House just because the math will favor them anyway, but come on, they just got body slammed in the election and their orange calf is silenced. Yes, most still adore him, but some have to be a bit sober at this point and realizing staying on the path of the stone cold loser isn't viable for the party. What I don't get is why the GOP isn't expanding their reach and instead are focusing even more on a certain type of voter. All just to please the stone cold loser? It must be, because if they don't go along now they don't stand a chance with much of the brainwashed base.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

The worrying thing is that GOP leadership must believe that Trump or at least Trumpism isn't going away in the next couple election cycles. McConnell sort of tried to bury it with his impeachment speech, but it didn't stick at all. Any republican who persists in calling out the BS is being marginalized.

My impression from the 2016 primary was that the GOP had lost control of their base and now they're just riding that monster. I don't know how this ends well for anybody.

Rs need a big loss to shake Trumpism.

For the House, Trumpers will win all of the deep red districts and vote no on everything a Democrat proposes forever.

I don't know how those types will fair in swing districts. With high voter turnout, Dems would increase their majority but I am doubtful of high turnout. That's up for grabs.

For the Senate, they really want to flip back Georgia and Arizona.

They are must wins for them.

Will an extreme Trumper win statewide votes there?

They are also defending Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and North Carolina.

All of those senators are either retiring or considering it.

So they would run non-incumbent Trumpers in those statewide elections.

Very easy for Republicans to lose all of them is America rejects Trumpism.

Then there is Mark Rubio in Florida.

Which Rubio will show up? The independent thinker or the Trump boot licker?

He should be able to hold that seat either way but that sate is still a bit too unpredictable.