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  • present, esquire.

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:20am EDT
    re: present, esquire.

    present, esquire. wrote:

    As usual, I would urge people to read the indictment before commenting on it. It's 45 pages but with the usual double spacing and wide margins, so it's not a long read at all.

    I realize that most people have already formed an opinion about the indictment, in one direction or another, but actually reading it could elevate the level of our discussion.

    I guess this bears repetition. Please actually read the indictment, okay? It addresses a bunch of questions/objections that people might have, and can save you some time overall.

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    Newname

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:24am EDT
    re: Dumb and Dumber

    Dumb and Dumber wrote:

    Newname wrote:

    Where are the indictments for the RussiaGate hoax?

    Certainly a far better case than these indictments against Trump

    You are almost as dumb as Igy. Almost.

    What is it about those who fall for the establishment's propaganda that their only argument seems to be name calling?

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    Ivyguy

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:33am EDT
    re: Newname

    Newname wrote:

    Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

    Trump was indicated for trying to prevent BIDEN from taking the office. You know, the guy whose name is in the title of this thread. So it is extremely relevant.

    Nah. He was indicted because they don't want to have to run against Trump in 2024

    Then they're idiots. Trump is actually the only GOPer that Biden could be confident of beating in the general.

    I think that someone like Tim Scott would wipe the floor with Joe Biden in a general election.

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:41am EDT
    re: present, esquire.

    present, esquire. wrote:

    present, esquire. wrote:

    As usual, I would urge people to read the indictment before commenting on it. It's 45 pages but with the usual double spacing and wide margins, so it's not a long read at all.

    I realize that most people have already formed an opinion about the indictment, in one direction or another, but actually reading it could elevate the level of our discussion.

    I guess this bears repetition. Please actually read the indictment, okay? It addresses a bunch of questions/objections that people might have, and can save you some time overall.

    Is there a Cliffs notes version of the indictment? Most people here are not used to reading very much.

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:44am EDT
    re: Flagpole

    Flagpole wrote:

    Ghost of Igloi wrote:

    WOW! I believe I have spoken too soon. THIS ONE is the biggest load you've ever posted here. Stephen Miller is as close to the devil (the idea of the devil as the devil doesn't actually exist) as any person in politics short of Trump that I have ever seen. He is amoral, and is no authority whatsoever about who is or is not a good person.

    As you Trumpers like to say, I don't really need my President to be a "good person." Joe Biden has flaws, for sure. He's an 80-year-old man, and even the best 80 year olds have flaws. More importantly, so far we have no evidence that he's a criminal unlike the Orange Man you worship.

    Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? Trump hasn't had his day in court yet. Remember how we rushed to judgement on Richard Jewell?

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 9:48am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    This does not bode well for Trump. The judge overseeing the case is an Obama appointee and has been harsh on Jan. 6 participants.

    Involvement in Jan. 6 cases
    Chutkan has set tougher sentences than requested by the Justice Department in a number of cases involving Jan. 6 defendants, citing the necessity of consequences for taking part in the insurrection.
    "There have to be consequences for participating in an attempted violent overthrow of the government, beyond sitting at home," Chutkan said at one of their hearings.
    She also denied Trump's 2021 emergency motion to stop the National Archives from turning over his administration's records to the Jan. 6 committee.

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    Flagpole

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:04am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    Flagpole wrote:

    WOW! I believe I have spoken too soon. THIS ONE is the biggest load you've ever posted here. Stephen Miller is as close to the devil (the idea of the devil as the devil doesn't actually exist) as any person in politics short of Trump that I have ever seen. He is amoral, and is no authority whatsoever about who is or is not a good person.

    As you Trumpers like to say, I don't really need my President to be a "good person." Joe Biden has flaws, for sure. He's an 80-year-old man, and even the best 80 year olds have flaws. More importantly, so far we have no evidence that he's a criminal unlike the Orange Man you worship.

    Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? Trump hasn't had his day in court yet. Remember how we rushed to judgement on Richard Jewell?

    Do you not understand the English language? Where did I convict him in the above? We DO have evidence that Trump is a criminal. Evidence doesn't MAKE him guilty, and I have not declared him guilty. Whether you are guilty or not is just a legal label. And, don't kid yourself, there is no comparison between Trump and Richard Jewell that is appropriate.

    Now, if you want to be more honest with the situations that Trump is in, Judge Kaplan declared that Trump DID rape E. Jean Carroll. You can decide to hide behind the fact it was a civil case and not a criminal one if you like (and I'm sure you like), but I'll call rape a crime. I realize you are in a cult and not capable of rational thinking because of it, but I'll likely still tell you to pull your head out of your ass every once in a while.

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:09am EDT
    re: Flagpole

    Flagpole wrote:

    Sally Vix wrote:

    Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? Trump hasn't had his day in court yet. Remember how we rushed to judgement on Richard Jewell?

    Do you not understand the English language? Where did I convict him in the above? We DO have evidence that Trump is a criminal. Evidence doesn't MAKE him guilty, and I have not declared him guilty. Whether you are guilty or not is just a legal label. And, don't kid yourself, there is no comparison between Trump and Richard Jewell that is appropriate.

    Now, if you want to be more honest with the situations that Trump is in, Judge Kaplan declared that Trump DID rape E. Jean Carroll. You can decide to hide behind the fact it was a civil case and not a criminal one if you like (and I'm sure you like), but I'll call rape a crime. I realize you are in a cult and not capable of rational thinking because of it, but I'll likely still tell you to pull your head out of your ass every once in a while.

    You called him a criminal even before we have seen any evidence. You have already convicted him.

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    agip

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:15am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    Flagpole wrote:

    Do you not understand the English language? Where did I convict him in the above? We DO have evidence that Trump is a criminal. Evidence doesn't MAKE him guilty, and I have not declared him guilty. Whether you are guilty or not is just a legal label. And, don't kid yourself, there is no comparison between Trump and Richard Jewell that is appropriate.

    Now, if you want to be more honest with the situations that Trump is in, Judge Kaplan declared that Trump DID rape E. Jean Carroll. You can decide to hide behind the fact it was a civil case and not a criminal one if you like (and I'm sure you like), but I'll call rape a crime. I realize you are in a cult and not capable of rational thinking because of it, but I'll likely still tell you to pull your head out of your ass every once in a while.

    You called him a criminal even before we have seen any evidence. You have already convicted him.

    trump has been a criminal for decades and decades. Way before he moved from show business to politics. Calling him a criminal in 2016 was completely accurate and fair.

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:19am EDT
    re: agip

    agip wrote:

    Sally Vix wrote:

    You called him a criminal even before we have seen any evidence. You have already convicted him.

    trump has been a criminal for decades and decades. Way before he moved from show business to politics. Calling him a criminal in 2016 was completely accurate and fair.

    The Southern District of NY is about as liberal as you can get. Even radically liberal. If Trump was committing all these crimes over decades and decades why was Trump never indicted before? Agip, you alleging that Trump has been a criminal for decades and decades makes no sense. They would have gone after him many years ago. Use your noggin.

  • Ghost of Igloi

    Member since 05/09/2006.

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:20am EDT
    re: agip

    And Joe just recently became a criminal. Better? :-)

    Meanwhile:

  • El Runkin

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:22am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    present, esquire. wrote:

    I guess this bears repetition. Please actually read the indictment, okay? It addresses a bunch of questions/objections that people might have, and can save you some time overall.

    Is there a Cliffs notes version of the indictment? Most people here are not used to reading very much.

    The Indictment is a Cliff's Notes version of the Select Committee's Final Report of the January 6th Attack on the US Capitol. There is a lot of alleged "evidence" cited in the January 6th Report. It's all bulwark against freedom. Hearsay too. All hearsay testimony which is illegal in American legal lore.

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    Sally Vix

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:24am EDT
    re: El Runkin

    El Runkin wrote:

    Sally Vix wrote:

    Is there a Cliffs notes version of the indictment? Most people here are not used to reading very much.

    The Indictment is a Cliff's Notes version of the Select Committee's Final Report of the January 6th Attack on the US Capitol. There is a lot of alleged "evidence" cited in the January 6th Report. It's all bulwark against freedom. Hearsay too. All hearsay testimony which is illegal in American legal lore.

    The black guy heading up the Congressional hearings declared that Trump was guilty even before the hearings began!! Like he was ever going to get a fair shake.

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    agip

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:25am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    agip wrote:

    trump has been a criminal for decades and decades. Way before he moved from show business to politics. Calling him a criminal in 2016 was completely accurate and fair.

    Even radically liberal. If Trump was committing all these crimes over decades and decades why was Trump never indicted before?

    from your mouth to George Washington's ear.

    Easy answer is that he bought off politicians.

    harder answer is that he bullied a lot of people, paid a lot of fines and didn't use email so he would not be incriminated in things.

    But we know his organization has been found to be a fraudulent organization, his CFO a serious criminal and he's paid a load of penalties over the years for crimes and frauds.

    This post was edited 34 seconds after it was posted.
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    agip

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:28am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    agip wrote:

    trump has been a criminal for decades and decades. Way before he moved from show business to politics. Calling him a criminal in 2016 was completely accurate and fair.

    The Southern District of NY is about as liberal as you can get. Even radically liberal.

    Oh sally. Hey runkin you want to clear up for Sally how 'liberal' the SDNY is?

    Maybe focus on the years that guy...who was it...oh yeah that radical liberal socialist Rudy Giuliani was in charge of it.

  • El Runkin

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:29am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    El Runkin wrote:

    The Indictment is a Cliff's Notes version of the Select Committee's Final Report of the January 6th Attack on the US Capitol. There is a lot of alleged "evidence" cited in the January 6th Report. It's all bulwark against freedom. Hearsay too. All hearsay testimony which is illegal in American legal lore.

    The black guy heading up the Congressional hearings declared that Trump was guilty even before the hearings began!! Like he was ever going to get a fair shake.

    All the evidence in the January 6th Report was manufactured, fabricated and amalgamated through illegal means.

  • Ghost of Igloi

    Member since 05/09/2006.

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:38am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Says it:

  • Ghost of Igloi

    Member since 05/09/2006.

    30,750 posts. Last post 10 hours ago.
    2 years ago 08/02/2023 10:53am EDT
    re: Ghost of Igloi

    Fact, and proof of Demoncat conspiracy:

  • SayinItNow

    Anonymous Poster

    2 years ago 08/02/2023 11:05am EDT
    re: Equality posters only

    The sweetest thing about this indictment is that MUCH of the evidence is coming directly from Trump's own supporters...his lawyers, advisors, political consultants AND his own VP. This is also true for the Mar-A-Lago illegal retention of classified docs AND obstruction of justice case.

    I suppose you can say they are turn-coat RINOs but there are no liberal leftists here to attack when close associates take the stand and say Trump said this or Trump did that.

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    hunter wheres the blow

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    2 years ago 08/02/2023 11:05am EDT
    re: Sally Vix

    Sally Vix wrote:

    El Runkin wrote:

    The Indictment is a Cliff's Notes version of the Select Committee's Final Report of the January 6th Attack on the US Capitol. There is a lot of alleged "evidence" cited in the January 6th Report. It's all bulwark against freedom. Hearsay too. All hearsay testimony which is illegal in American legal lore.

    The black guy heading up the Congressional hearings declared that Trump was guilty even before the hearings began!! Like he was ever going to get a fair shake.

    Where was Hunter on January 6th? Has anyone thought to ask that question? Hmmmmm

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