Note to libs, this is the Joe Biden thread. There are other threads to discuss Trump and any legal issues. This is where we discus the corruption and the coming impeachment of the head of the Biden crime family.
Trump was indicated for trying to prevent BIDEN from taking the office. You know, the guy whose name is in the title of this thread. So it is extremely relevant.
The key point that the indictment establishes IMO is that President Trump was fully aware that he had genuinely lost the election. The "he sincerely thought he won!" defense won't fly.
Joe will get jettisoned, health reasons spring 2024. Meanwhile….
In 2020, they smashed every rule to reclaim power after the Russia and Ukraine and all the other hoaxes (eg emoluments) failed. BLM burned cities while Democrat officials ordered police to stand down. Dem governors locked down whole states during covid to inflict maximum economic…
Epic idiocy. Just flat out embarrassing. I feel sorry for you. And this pertains to your previous tweet as well. Go ahead, tell me you believe this abomination.
You realize that little video presents zero evidence of anything, right? That it is literally 100% unsubstantiated accusations all about THEM trying to screw over YOU, right? You know that this is classic cultist nonsense, right? That it would be laughed at by any sane person over the age of 12, right?
No, no you don't.
My god, it is horrifying to think that someone your age could be so cognitively deficient.
The key point that the indictment establishes IMO is that President Trump was fully aware that he had genuinely lost the election. The "he sincerely thought he won!" defense won't fly.
This is important. Trump and his fellow criminals have been blatantly telegraphing for 2 years that his defense would be that he honestly believed it. And even today he goes around still saying it was stolen as if he honestly believes it. I am no lawyer but I am reading from lawyers that Jack's Smith's laws that he charged Trump with will not require any burden of proof about what Trump believed. It will make that argument irrelevant and almost stupid. Take it out of the equation. And his full knowledge of the fraudulent nature of the fake elector scheme is sufficient to prove consciousness of guilt. As it should be.
You can't rob a bank with an elaborate plan and coconspirators and say, I really, really really believed I was owed the money.
But here is a bigger question. Why do GOP voters support a presidential candidate that can't decipher between reality (He lost) and non-realty (all his hair brained fraud claims)? A 5 year old child would be able to grasp the concept that he lost when it was presented to him dozens of times.
So if you are a Trump supporter. You either support a pathetic liar. Or you support someone with a childlike brain to run the country and have the nuke codes. An inability to discern BS vs Truth in a manner that the entire country can see.
I will agree with you that not all Americans agree that the economy is doing great...they are just wrong, and their thoughts on the matter doesn't make it true. The fact is that Americans in general NEVER think the economy is doing great, because the vast majority of them don't prepare for their financial lives as they should. They won't admit the economy is ever doing well, because that doesn't jibe with their bad economic behavior; easiest to blame the economy rather than the fact they eat out a lot and gamble and buy smokes and alcohol and cars they shouldn't buy, etc. I am a 57-year-old man (with HUGE biceps), and in my lifetime, the US economy has actually been BAD maybe 6 times ever, and not all of those were extended...and this isn't one of tose times.
We're not in a recession. The unemployment rate is historically low. Anyone can go get a job at the drop of a hat. Someone last week asked my 83-year-old father if he would work for him. Ha! The stock market has boomed this year. The Consumer Confidence Index rose from 110 to 117 last month. More Americans are working than ever before, and their spending is higher than ever. It is very hard for the economy to be much better than it is now. We could have record low inflation...that would be nice...we likely won't because we aren't headed to a recession anytime soon, but we are still likely to drop even lower than the 2.97% inflation we currently have.
If you want to get opinions from people, go ahead. I'll look at facts thank you very much.
Bidenomics is such a success the credit rating of the US was just lowered to AA+ from AAA, a status that the U.S. had maintained since 1994.
Have you been to a gas station lately? Bidenomics is killing the American people. Sleepy Joe can say it's great until HELL freezes over- it doesn’t change how little cash people have after they pay their bills.
The economy is a mess. Get over it.
You lost this argument.
I see you don't really READ the news. America's credit rating was downgraded due to this - "Fitch said the one-step downgrade to a rating of AA+ reflects an “erosion of governance” that has “manifested in repeated debt limit standoffs and last-minute resolutions.”
The above quote is due to BOTH parties over several administrations and is not a result of today's economy at all. Educate yourself. Read past the headlines.
It's always gas prices with you Republicans. Gas goes up and it goes down, and the President of the US has next to no say about that...unless he releases strategic oil reserves to drive the price down, and that only has a temporary effect. I paid over $4.00 a gallon for a bit during GWB's presidency, and that was a long time ago now when people made a lot less. I can fill up for $2.96 in my town today, and if I go to a Kroger gas station and use my points, I can (and regularly do) better than that.
I thought you Republicans were supposed to be tough and were able to find a way to carve your own path, pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps, not big babies who need to cry about the price of gas and what the government does or doesn't do for them. Maybe get a hybrid or an electric car if it bothers you so much.
I'll give you credit for this though...your orange guy, whom you worship, has been most recently indicted on 4 felony counts that are serious enough to equal up to 50 years in prison (no he won't get that), and you've got me talking about current gas prices. So, good show, brother! You win the Deflection Olympics!
Just so we're all clear on the LATEST felony charges against Trump:
1) Conspiracy to defraud the United States
2) Witness tampering
3) Conspiracy against the rights of citizens
4) Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding.
I'll take $2.96 a gallon gas over having a president with those kinds of charges against him. Kind of prefer not having a thread to our Democratic Republic, don't you know.
You realize that little video presents zero evidence of anything, right? That it is literally 100% unsubstantiated accusations all about THEM trying to screw over YOU, right? You know that this is classic cultist nonsense, right? That it would be laughed at by any sane person over the age of 12, right?
No, no you don't.
My god, it is horrifying to think that someone your age could be so cognitively deficient.
Special Counsel Jack Smith added new indictments against Donald Trump, among them conspiratorially “unlawfully discounting legitimate votes.” Was Smith here referencing Stacy Abrams who for years claimed she was the real governor of Georgia, barnstorming the country to overturn…
Perhaps one of the biggest media gaslighting operations in American history is the lie that Joe Biden is a good or decent man. He is not now and has never been.
That's the biggest load you've ever posted here, and man that's saying something.
Since you are so sure Democrats cheated to win the election in 2020, you should just stay away from the polls and never vote again, because even though your backward state (I unfortunately live in one too) will vote red, it's a waste of your time since Democrats will just cheat in the more purple states. You know...we got away with it before, so why not do it again?
I do wish you well. If I were religious, I would pray for you...and in a sincere way, not the "f*ck you" way that most conservative Christians mean when they say that.
WOW! I believe I have spoken too soon. THIS ONE is the biggest load you've ever posted here. Stephen Miller is as close to the devil (the idea of the devil as the devil doesn't actually exist) as any person in politics short of Trump that I have ever seen. He is amoral, and is no authority whatsoever about who is or is not a good person.
As you Trumpers like to say, I don't really need my President to be a "good person." Joe Biden has flaws, for sure. He's an 80-year-old man, and even the best 80 year olds have flaws. More importantly, so far we have no evidence that he's a criminal unlike the Orange Man you worship.
You realize that little video presents zero evidence of anything, right? That it is literally 100% unsubstantiated accusations all about THEM trying to screw over YOU, right? You know that this is classic cultist nonsense, right? That it would be laughed at by any sane person over the age of 12, right?
No, no you don't.
My god, it is horrifying to think that someone your age could be so cognitively deficient.
I know I'm just talking into the ether when I try to educate you moron Trumpers, but I'll be brief and give it a good college try:
You can SAY anything you want about election results. Donald Trump was not indicted for expressing that opinion. He has been indicted because he took ACTION...ILLEGAL ACTION to try to interfere with the electoral count process, and then tried to bully election officials in more than one state (again, an ACTION that is illegal), AND he ILLEGALLY conspired with others to try to overturn the election.
Note to libs, this is the Joe Biden thread. There are other threads to discuss Trump and any legal issues. This is where we discus the corruption and the coming impeachment of the head of the Biden crime family.
Trump was indicated for trying to prevent BIDEN from taking the office. You know, the guy whose name is in the title of this thread. So it is extremely relevant.
Nah. He was indicted because they don't want to have to run against Trump in 2024
The House committee on Jan 6 will turn out to be one of the shining moments for democracy in America, should it survive the Republicans. The indictment relied heavily on the House committee's work.
NYT:
In taking the monumental step of charging a former president with attempting to steal an American election, Jack Smith, the Justice Department special counsel, relied on an extraordinary narrative, but one the country knew well.
For a year and a half, the special House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol introduced Americans to a sprawling cast of characters and laid out in painstaking detail the many ways in which former President Donald J. Trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. In doing so, it provided a road map of sorts for the 45-page indictment Mr. Smith released on Tuesday.
“In a lot of ways, the committee’s work provided this path,” said Soumya Dayananda, who served as a senior investigator for the House Jan. 6 panel. “The committee served as educating the country about what the former president did, and this is finally accountability. The congressional committee wasn’t going to be able to bring accountability; that was in the hands of the Department of Justice.” Mr. Smith’s document — while far slimmer than the 845-page tome produced by the House investigative committee — contained a narrative that was nearly identical: An out-of-control president, refusing to leave office, was willing to lie and harm the country’s democracy in an attempt to stay in power.
In the days ahead it will continue to be blatantly apparent who has read the indictment from start to finish and who has rushed to right wing web sites for hot takes. To those that have read the indictment the hot takes are humorous and not worth trying to correct.
You are already seeing this in the last few hours.
