Ghost of Igloi wrote:
agip wrote:
Ok maybe I'm talking MSFT and Igy is talking snapchat.
Seems to me investors are desperate for growth and the growth is in tech. I'm curious to see earnings growth for the SPX ex-tech. Can't be that great either going back or looking forward. But meanwhile tech earnings are through the roof. Plus they have amazing balance sheets. Plus we're seeing the new benefits of tech.
Overall it's hard to see this market go much higher, unless you see a quick recovery in 1Q21 and huge leverage from companies suddenly running with 80% of prior staffs...that would juice margins if it happens. Plus the dollar is down, which will help many companies.
agip and Seattle,
This is not an indictment of the companies, rather illustrating balance sheet versus price metrics. I get that those that own the stocks have made a lot of money. My critique is the narrative told that these companies are these great growers. Of course Wall Street is spinning Boeing, which is both an ethical and business fraud. So there should be no surprise that Wall Street gladly will not tell the other side of the story. I am using Apple as an example of the most reasonable valued stock among the top five. Good quarter, but at this price rise a huge bubble. No different really than 2000, which is, these stocks are not growing into their valuation. Investors are merely paying up for a false story, and someone is going to get hurt.
Here is from Apple’s latest annual report:
Net Income
2015 $53.4 Billion
2019 $55.3 Billion
Share Count
2015 5.8 Billion
2019 4.6 Billion
Cash
2015 $205.7 Billion
2019 $205.9 Billion
Debt
2015 $91.4 Billion
2019 $142.3 Billion
Closing Year End Stock Price
2015 $101.10
2019 $290.04
Igy
Igy, I am not going to argue with you based on NAV relative to some metric, like earnings or future earnings, or whatever. You have to compare their prospects against other investments that someone might make instead. Does it's growth potential look better than Target's or other retailers or other SNP companies? Or bonds or treasuries or whatever? ANd at the end of the day, the market has put a higher demand on shares of these companies. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that it might be more instructive to compare their metrics against alternative investments rather than comparing their metrics against what they were four years ago.