Cheating for fun wrote:
Frank apparently finds cheating to be loads of fun, so I would agree, he was certainly “racing for fun.”
Go back under your bridge.
Prove he cheated in even one of his hundreds of races. We're 200 pages in and that hasn't been done.
"Go back under your bridge" = go away so we can resume our circlejerk groupthink.
Took me a while wrote:
I appreciate your level of thoroughness, deadesq. But I'm sure you can concede this is not definitive proof. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. (Write that down it's a good one.)
deadesq wrote:So, I throw it back to you. While proof can never really be "definitive" without an admission of guilt by the charged party or a persistent video (which does exist here), would you concede that, based on the evidence presented in this thread demonstrates that it is "more likely than not" that Frank cheated? Do you think the administrators at Loyola High School used "beyond a reasonable doubt" or "more likely than not" when they removed any mention of Frank from the school's website as part of their coaching staff? Or, do you truly believe that, whether beyond a reasonable doubt or more likely than not, Frank Meza ran a 2:53:10 at the Los Angeles Marathon? If so, provide YOUR definitive and irrefutable proof. If you can, quod erat demonstrandum.
TMAW--deadesq's quote above does not strike me as a rhetorical question or hollow challenge. I'm seriously interested in what definitive proof, or even snippets of truth, you're clinging to. Based on your rhetorical methods in this thread, I have to believe you've had some legal training, or you have lawyers in your family. In fact, you look to be using the same kind of approach commonly used by defense attorneys, i.e. paint the presented evidence with a broad brush without addressing specific, damning details, deflect by use of non-sequiturs such as the race card, use arguments about how the defendant's life will be ruined, and so on.
I generally do not believe in feeding trolls, because that's how they grow larger, but I have to ask this--what's your state bar number?
Scott Dominguez' Dog, Ralph wrote:
I've read through (almost) all of these posts and, really, you're the only person who seems to take issue with other people's race. You.
I don't deny that. I'm white. When I see other whites try to railroad a group of exclusively Latino otherwise upstanding doctors and lawyers and coaches on a messageboard it harkers back to something awful. Present some evidence or leave these men alone.
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV wrote:
I generally do not believe in feeding trolls, because that's how they grow larger, but I have to ask this--what's your state bar number?
If the bib don't fit, we must acquit!
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV wrote:
TMAW--deadesq's quote above does not strike me as a rhetorical question or hollow challenge. I'm seriously interested in what definitive proof, or even snippets of truth, you're clinging to.
SUSTAINED. TMAW, please answer the question.
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2019/06/meza-addresses-team-coaches-as-disqualification-looms.htmlTook me a while wrote:
I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV wrote:
I generally do not believe in feeding trolls, because that's how they grow larger, but I have to ask this--what's your state bar number?
If the bib don't fit, we must acquit!
Ha, Benfer rehashed an old rant and added to it. I wrote about her awhile back.
Took me a while wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
I agree the trolls just reveal the strategy & alibis of Meza; might as well learn all we can. Mostly it says Meza’s even worse than we thought, all the hoops he jumps through to avoid the truth.
Literally his alibi of "racing for fun" absolves him of any wrongdoing. He admitted he stopped. He admitted he doesn't care about the time. He offered to self DQ to satisfy your insanity. At what point do you agree that you care about a 70 year old's hobbyjog more than he does...?
I don't even read this idiot's posts, let alone try to answer them. It is really poor trolling and I am amazed that some of you are taking the time to actually argue with this moran. His "logic" is actually cringeworthy bad - like infantile.
Just skip over them, it makes reading the thread much easier.
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Why bother... wrote:
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"Why bother presenting evidence before ruining people's lives when joining a lynchmob is SO much easier."
- Why bother...., potential Klan member.
Took me a while wrote:
Why bother... wrote:
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"Why bother presenting evidence before ruining people's lives when joining a lynchmob is SO much easier."
- Why bother...., potential Klan member.
This is an excellent synopsis for anyone just reading this thread. All Frank's misdemeanours are presented succinctly and are totally damning. Please read.
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2019/06/meza-addresses-team-coaches-as-disqualification-looms.htmldoubler wrote:
Ha, Benfer rehashed an old rant and added to it. I wrote about her awhile back.
The Benfer problem is a tough one. She's a major troll who uses the net to try to spread her elaborate conspiracy theories, but it's difficult to get upset at the truly mentally ill.
I love the way Frankie comes crouching and skulking onto the course in that photo. All hunched down and almost tiptoeing. Reminds me of the Pink Panther Cartoon on the opening credits of the Clouseau movies. Just need the soundtrack...
Hoping this whole LAM dual cheater time trial comes to fruition.
The Pink Panther. wrote:
I love the way Frankie comes crouching and skulking onto the course in that photo. All hunched down and almost tiptoeing. Reminds me of the Pink Panther Cartoon on the opening credits of the Clouseau movies. Just need the soundtrack...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJolaH7mfc
You're not presenting anything new. He already admitted to going off course... You're now judging his demeanor while he's walking back from where he freely admits he was?
Took me a while wrote:
The Pink Panther. wrote:
I love the way Frankie comes crouching and skulking onto the course in that photo. All hunched down and almost tiptoeing. Reminds me of the Pink Panther Cartoon on the opening credits of the Clouseau movies. Just need the soundtrack...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJolaH7mfcYou're not presenting anything new. He already admitted to going off course... You're now judging his demeanor while he's walking back from where he freely admits he was?
Yes, the hunched-over, crouching, skulking, sneaking, shuffling, creeping body language of a proven CHEAT.
The first 30 pages of this thread took almost 2 months, the last 30 took 3 days! I guess the trolls want to make Meza the most famous cheater ever. And unlike his marathons, also the fastest.
Why bother... wrote:
I don't even read this idiot's posts, let alone try to answer them. It is really poor trolling and I am amazed that some of you are taking the time to actually argue with this moran. His "logic" is actually cringeworthy bad - like infantile.
Just skip over them, it makes reading the thread much easier.
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Totally agree. I logged on this morning seeing how many pages this thread grew since yesterday and I thought something big must have went down, only to find it was that idiot TMAW, spouting non-sense.
Based on the little I read of his posts, it is obvious he is a long time LRC troll, he knows of the "memes" of this site that a new comer wouldn't pick up.
The body language of a cheat. wrote:
Yes, the hunched-over, crouching, skulking, sneaking, shuffling, creeping body language of a proven CHEAT.
Or.... the regular body shape and stature of a 70 year old man?
You guys are demented.
Frank's theme song:
Ida Nough wrote:
Totally agree. I logged on this morning seeing how many pages this thread grew since yesterday and I thought something big must have went down, only to find it was that idiot TMAW, spouting non-sense.
Based on the little I read of his posts, it is obvious he is a long time LRC troll, he knows of the "memes" of this site that a new comer wouldn't pick up.
I am pleading with you, with tears in my eyes, to present some evidence that he knowingly cheated and took an alternate form of transportation.
Until someone does that, we have ruined the lives and careers of seemingly otherwise very good men and mentors.
I am ashamed that this has been allowed to fester on LRC and that I initially was also duped into believing it.