Actually turns out he's not actually fast at all, just a cheating & narcissistic loser, and that you're quite gullible and dumb.
Actually turns out he's not actually fast at all, just a cheating & narcissistic loser, and that you're quite gullible and dumb.
Troll hunter wrote:
Actually turns out he's not actually fast at all, just a cheating & narcissistic loser, and that you're quite gullible and dumb.
Wow, great response. Are all the LRC "investigators" as smart as you?
Please stop feeding the "Took Me A While" troll, and all the trolls for that matter.
It just clutters the thread and makes those who are trying to keep up have a harder time sifting through the junk.
The trolls aren't going to be convinced no matter how good your points are or how much evidence you present.
You're being trolled. Let it go.
bored troller wrote:
Please stop feeding the "Took Me A While" troll, and all the trolls for that matter.
It just clutters the thread and makes those who are trying to keep up have a harder time sifting through the junk.
The trolls aren't going to be convinced no matter how good your points are or how much evidence you present.
You're being trolled. Let it go.
The problem, of course, is that there is no evidence of cheating.
To an outside observer (read: non rabid LRC crackpot investigator), everything I'm saying makes sense.
Do you wonder why Canadian Running and LA Times came up with a story that you guys didn't seem acceptable? Because crazy people don't know they're crazy. You are so myopic that you can't see that you're railroading this guy who gained no benefit from cheating and already said you can DQ him because he runs for fun. And you're contacting his employer and patients? F--king really?
Impressive trolling, which should really raise the page count & make FM seem even more guilty. Go for it!
Took me a while wrote:
Get a picture of him on a bus or riding a bike to prove that his own two feet didn't carry him and we can have a debate on whether an autonomous person has the freedom to ride transportation during a time where _you_ expect them to be running.
What does a picture prove? It could have been taken any time, it could simply be a fake.
How can you prove I'm not Eliud Kipchoge?
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
What does a picture prove? It could have been taken any time, it could simply be a fake.
How can you prove I'm not Eliud Kipchoge?
Exactly. The burden of proof is on the crackpot investigator.
jesseriley wrote:
Impressive trolling, which should really raise the page count & make FM seem even more guilty. Go for it!
We both know that isn't true. I have almost killed this thread with basic logic. RIP.
Took me a while wrote:
bored troller wrote:
Please stop feeding the "Took Me A While" troll, and all the trolls for that matter.
It just clutters the thread and makes those who are trying to keep up have a harder time sifting through the junk.
The trolls aren't going to be convinced no matter how good your points are or how much evidence you present.
You're being trolled. Let it go.
The problem, of course, is that there is no evidence of cheating.
To an outside observer (read: non rabid LRC crackpot investigator), everything I'm saying makes sense.
Do you wonder why Canadian Running and LA Times came up with a story that you guys didn't seem acceptable? Because crazy people don't know they're crazy. You are so myopic that you can't see that you're railroading this guy who gained no benefit from cheating and already said you can DQ him because he runs for fun. And you're contacting his employer and patients? F--king really?
Time to play to win, boys.
Anytime someone posts/trolls claiming there is no evidence or a lack of evidence just reply with a link to the MI articles.
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2019/06/meza-addresses-team-coaches-as-disqualification-looms.htmlThe more times we share this link the higher it will climb on the search engines. And it contains all the information needed to unequivocally show that Frank Meza is among the most notorious marathon cheats of all time.
Let’s use the trolls to make matters worse for Frank.
Share the link.
Every time.
Took me a while wrote:
Exactly. The burden of proof is on the crackpot investigator.
So you agree that there is no level of evidence that you would accept - I'm glad we got here this quickly.
So, I know that TMAW is a troll, but honestly, I think he's doing a great job of channeling what Frank's internal dialogue must be like right now. Maybe we have the real FM on the board and we're just dismissing it as a troll..
That said, as a person who's been a despicable liar in the past, I have a keen focus on weird defensiveness and slips of tongue when a liar feels like they are backed in a corner.
TMAW is interesting - some things that really stick out to me.]
1. The absolutely out of left field accusations of racism against the Latinx community, when that had not really been a topic of discussion at all re: FM's cheating.
2. The defensive of - he's doing it for fun, he's an amateur, who is to you to say how he races. I think FM has probably been cheating and cutting courses in races so long now that this is how he thinks you race. I'm sure he thinks he's smarter than the rest of the schmucks who had to run the whole thing. It's telling that the troll continues to hone in on let him race how he wants to race, given that it's a possibility FM doesn't even consider what he's doing to be cheating.
3. TMAW is really keen on saying he only accepts evidence of FM on a bike because he knows FM ditches his bike well off course. I find it interesting he volunteers the information of taking a bus and riding a bike in reply to a post that doesn't mention a specific mode of transport.
4. Finally, the whole line of "What would you do in FM's shoes?" - The perspective of TMAW is entirely from someone who has cheating to defend, not from someone who ran an honest race. If I had jumped the shark and ran the 3:00 i wanted to at LAM and Derek flagged me - I'd happily turn over my GPX files. I wouldn't think to pull a nuclear option of counsel and lawsuits because I wouldn't have anything to hide. The alternative isn't another dishonest behavior (bribing). The alternative is providing evidence that shows I ran an honest race.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
So you agree that there is no level of evidence that you would accept - I'm glad we got here this quickly.
To cheat you have to prove that his motivation was cheating. Prove his motivation. Prove that he can't legally run a race wearing a banana hammock. He didn't gain an advantage because he set no WR.
He already offered to DQ to appease you nutjobs. I wouldn't have done that because nobody has still proven that he finishes the race any other way than on his own two feet. What more do you want?
Oh. I know. You want him to admit to something that he didn't do so Derek can move on to his next victim. And I wonder why running is a dying sport?
Derek got Benfered!!!!
Jane Benfer: Derrick Murphy of "Marathon Investigation" is PART of the fake running scams. ?
Derrick's role is to pretend to be catching cheats fake running, while at the same time he accepts kickbacks from product companies to try to promote fake running events, and also tries to get people to send him donations for his "work" catching cheats as he is part of fake running scams. ?
David Wharton might want to polish up his resume (and I'm sure the l.a. times is upset they were not granted an interview with the woman who is the whistleblower of all the fake running scams who I guess does live IN California.) She apparently has granted interviews to the l.a. times competitors though because the l.a times has been duped in the past by things like reporting on the fake event "badwater 135" as if it is real when it is a completely fake event. The whistleblower woman of the fake running scams who apparently lived in California states they have not and do not accept any money (poor Derrick Murphy keeps trying to get people to send him donations for his "work" catching cheaters when he is onthe take of kickbacks from product companies and actively a part of fake running scams for years!) ?
Oh dear, poor los angeles times being duped by Derrick Murphy who is actually part of fake running scams. ?
Thank you for the screenshot I will forward to the whistleblowers to add to making the l.a. times more famous for being duped into bad reporting (I know they state they had already planned to do so based on the l.a. times previously being duped that Badwater 135 which is completely faked was real!) ?
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Took me a while wrote:
They found a timing anomaly, Frank runs for fun and says to DQ if they suspect anything suspicious. They do. He runs it again, they're already waiting with baited breath to locate any sort of anomaly to find him 'cheating' again (much like this thread). They DQ him again. He runs for fun. He again doesn't dispute it because he doesnt care about CIM (much like everyone). Again, who cares?
The 2nd place guy cares.
You mean the real first place guy cares.
Disappointed LAM Runner wrote:
4. Finally, the whole line of "What would you do in FM's shoes?" - The perspective of TMAW is entirely from someone who has cheating to defend, not from someone who ran an honest race..
Your post was mostly pointless because clearly you couldn't distinguish my earlier posts where I was clearly baiting you vs. my later posts where I clearly think you're all morons. (Or morans).
But this part stands out to me because the only way your logic works is by assuming that Frank ran an all-out effort race with the intention of finishing in his best time. He did not. He didn't run "an honest race" because he was, I repeat, "racing for fun." He did not run a race as you would. Nor does he have to.
The whole investigation of a hobby jogger hobbyjogging a hobbyjog is ridiculous.
DQ everyone who takes breaks. DQ everyone who runs in boxing gear, or underwear, or crawls or dances or otherwise doesn't give a PURE 100% bonafide LRC approved effort.
FFS this sport is for whackjobs.
I agree the trolls just reveal the strategy & alibis of Meza; might as well learn all we can. Mostly it says Meza’s even worse than we thought, all the hoops he jumps through to avoid the truth.
Took me a while wrote:
But this part stands out to me because the only way your logic works is by assuming that Frank ran an all-out effort race with the intention of finishing in his best time. He did not. He didn't run "an honest race" because he was, I repeat, "racing for fun." He did not run a race as you would. Nor does he have to.
FFS this sport is for whackjobs.
Frank apparently finds cheating to be loads of fun, so I would agree, he was certainly “racing for fun.”
Go back under your bridge.
jesseriley wrote:
I agree the trolls just reveal the strategy & alibis of Meza; might as well learn all we can. Mostly it says Meza’s even worse than we thought, all the hoops he jumps through to avoid the truth.
Literally his alibi of "racing for fun" absolves him of any wrongdoing. He admitted he stopped. He admitted he doesn't care about the time. He offered to self DQ to satisfy your insanity. At what point do you agree that you care about a 70 year old's hobbyjog more than he does...?
Took me a while wrote:
But it's different here because he's an old Latino who runs faster than you.
I've read through (almost) all of these posts and, really, you're the only person who seems to take issue with other people's race. You.
Would like to see Direct Evidence wrote:
This thread seems to have turned into a lynch mob sheepishly believing everything Derek posts which relies a lot on circumstantial evidence and the absence of evidence. His allegations are based on a lack of photos from a handful of marathon photographers who usually aim their cameras in one direction and at groups of runners and people who smile and pose for the camera and who are more likely to later purchase the expensive photos. They simply can’t capture every runner.
^This times a million. The same trolls are at work here who even suspected Rossi, and called the photographers' stands "checkpoints" like in the military, lol.
Fortunately both Frank and Mike are taking these ludicrous allegations with humour.