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carmine9 wrote:
I'm not watching Jimmy Bore, but based on the byline of the clip you posted...
I'm just pissed many people died and it could have been avoided. The UN, WHO, NATO and s...I'm going to guess he blames everybody but Russia for invading Ukraine. Nope. Putin is blameless. If those terrible Ukrainians had just surrendered, so many lives could have been saved. What. An. Absolute. Piece. Of. Garbage. Of course it could have been avoided. Putin could have decided he wanted to help the people of Russia by denazifying Russia, or supporting democratic reforms, or eating a bullet. But, instead he choose to invade a sovereign nation, that he first attacked in 2014, and get tens of thousands of people killed. Putin is 100% to blame and anybody who says otherwise is a clueless Russian stooge.
Questions for Carmine:
- Do you think Russia was to invade Ukraine?
- Where does Nuland say the US is going to install a new PM?
- Why are you a racist?
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American downie wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Far simplier: the Russians could end the war by simply leaving Ukraine.
Which war are you talking about? Now or the one in East-Ukraine since 2014?
Russia came to end the war, not to start one. The only reason it's still going on, is because the West wants to play.
I understand that you're not a slav and don't understand the nuances of this situation, but at least try not to see everything in black and white.
Russia was ending the war by annexing Crimea? You have a very tenuous grasp of time.
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Current count is 1730 Soldiers who have surrendered over the last few days at the Azovstal Steel Plant. More are known to be holding out, including Commanders.
The plethora of "New Speak" substitutions for "surrender" screams propaganda bias.
Aside from "surrender", the only suitable term applying when laying down arms and giving, yourselves up to the other side, Western MSM headlines and descriptions state Ukrainian (former) combatants there "accomplished their mission", "abandoned the site", "were evacuated", "were ordered to leave", "are being exchanged", "were rescued"...
Euphemistic messaging was consistent, indicating a kind of blatant media collusion.
Realizing the impossibility of a positive spin job now, the Ukraine Military now refuses to comment altogether.
UK Ministry of Defence Update for May 17:
As many as 1,700 Ukrainian soldiers are likely to have surrendered from the Mariupol Azovstal steel factory. An unknown number of Ukrainian forces remain inside the factory. Once Russia has secured Mariupol, it is likely they will move their forces to reinforce operations in the Donbas. Staunch Ukrainian resistance in Mariupol since the start of the war means Russian forces in the area must be re-equipped and refurbished before they can be redeployed effectively. This can be a lengthy process when done thoroughly. Russian commanders, however, are under pressure to demonstrably achieve operational objectives. This means that Russia will probably redistribute their forces swiftly without adequate preparation, which risks further force attrition.
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carmine9 wrote:
Clockwork Agent Orange 1 wrote:
Probably a picture of Palestinian kids
Racist anti semitic liar strikes again
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MoarDeadRuskies wrote:
Ernest wrote:
This is like saying the Ukraine could single-handedly end the war by just surrendering. Or NATO could by disbanding.
Crimea was in Russian/Soviet control for 225 of the last 248 years. Russians lost roughly a million defending Sevastopol in WW2.
If you believe their election was remotely democratic, Crimea's citizens voted overwhelmingly (97%) in favour or rejoining Russia in 2014.
Did America "illegally" annex Texas? Does this map look familiar?
History books are written by the victors.
No. It’s not. If Russia chooses to withdraw they lost pride. If Ukraine chooses to withdraw they lose their country. The disparate outcomes of what you deem equivalent actions makes them wholly unequal. You know this, so stop playing dumb (unless it’s not an act).
So what? Crimea was not part of Russia in 2013 and most civilized nations realize it’s not part of Russia now. If I sell you an antique car that I’ve owned for the last 50 years, can I just come take it back after a year? After all, it’s been in my possession for 50 of the last 51 years. No. That would be illegal.
Nobody believes the referendum in Crimea was even remotely democratic. Just like similar referendums that Russia will hold in territory they occupy in Ukraine will not be democratic. Unless The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is your model for democracy.
I am sure Crimea's vote to re-join Russia was swayed. But 97% in favour?
Anyway you slice it, the will of the People and a clear majority is demonstrated. Is it only "democracy" when we like the result?
The hallmarks of "democracy" are suspect in DPR, but less so than Ukraine, where political assassinations, roundups, imprisonment, a vendettas were not uncommon before the war.
Now, under Martial Law, a dozen Ukraine political parties have been banned, media outlets and reporters silenced, and uncounted opponents rounded up, jailed, or killed based on affiliation, suspicion, or pretense.
The Ukraine is Europe's poorest country. Yet peppered with Billionaire Oligarchs. The political and business landscape has long been a corrupt, in-fighting Kleptocracy overseen by dangerous police state on the take. The Azov Battalion began as a private Army for one Oligarch.
Suddenly, Ukraine are do-no-wrong Golden Boys we can trust with tens of billions of goods and money? Everyone has got their hands out. As with Covid relief packages which saw the well-connected, organized crime, and foreign scammers get rich, this is another taxpayer boondoggle.
Why are we tossing billions like Mardi Gras beads?
Because Ukrainians are willing or being forced to shoulder Western arms and kill Russians, something we've we trained them to do for 8 years. End justifies the means?
Inevitably, these arms are sold on the black market or end up in the wrong hands, which we saw in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, and notably and recently, Afghanistan. The Taliban have Apache helicopters. Looting and stealing is done by all sides in every conflict.
Aid shipments to Africa end up warehouses controlled by War Lords.
We've seen Gold bars hidden in Iraqi fuel tanks, Georgians stole new tractors from a Ukraine Tractor dealership, Russians are being killed for their cell phones. Just last week, an Art Collector in a San Antonio goodwill store found an ancient Roman bust stolen by an American soldier from Germany in WWII.
Many Sheeple here can't seem to wrap their head around situational complexity beyond "us vs. them".
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Ernest wrote:
I am sure Crimea's vote to re-join Russia was swayed. But 97% in favour?
Anyway you slice it, the will of the People and a clear majority is demonstrated. Is it only "democracy" when we like the result?
The hallmarks of "democracy" are suspect in DPR, but less so than Ukraine, where political assassinations, roundups, imprisonment, a vendettas were not uncommon before the war.
Now, under Martial Law, a dozen Ukraine political parties have been banned, media outlets and reporters silenced, and uncounted opponents rounded up, jailed, or killed based on affiliation, suspicion, or pretense.
The Ukraine is Europe's poorest country. Yet peppered with Billionaire Oligarchs. The political and business landscape has long been a corrupt, in-fighting Kleptocracy overseen by dangerous police state on the take. The Azov Battalion began as a private Army for one Oligarch.
Suddenly, Ukraine are do-no-wrong Golden Boys we can trust with tens of billions of goods and money? Everyone has got their hands out. As with Covid relief packages which saw the well-connected, organized crime, and foreign scammers get rich, this is another taxpayer boondoggle.
Why are we tossing billions like Mardi Gras beads?
Because Ukrainians are willing or being forced to shoulder Western arms and kill Russians, something we've we trained them to do for 8 years. End justifies the means?
Inevitably, these arms are sold on the black market or end up in the wrong hands, which we saw in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, and notably and recently, Afghanistan. The Taliban have Apache helicopters. Looting and stealing is done by all sides in every conflict.
Aid shipments to Africa end up warehouses controlled by War Lords.
We've seen Gold bars hidden in Iraqi fuel tanks, Georgians stole new tractors from a Ukraine Tractor dealership, Russians are being killed for their cell phones. Just last week, an Art Collector in a San Antonio goodwill store found an ancient Roman bust stolen by an American soldier from Germany in WWII.
Many Sheeple here can't seem to wrap their head around situational complexity beyond "us vs. them".
What Russia is doing is worse -- so we care about Russian misdeeds more. It's really that simple.
If you're a truly moral person, you should give attention proportionately to Bad Things based on how Bad they are. You focus way too much on Ukraine -- which is far Less Bad than Russia for reasons we all agree on (murderously aggressive invasion, civilian bombing, etc).
This is the contradiction you can not novelize yourself out of.
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More lies from the racist.
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Harambe wrote:
Ernest wrote:
I am sure Crimea's vote to re-join Russia was swayed. But 97% in favour?
Anyway you slice it, the will of the People and a clear majority is demonstrated. Is it only "democracy" .......... WWII.
Many Sheeple here can't seem to wrap their head around situational complexity beyond "us vs. them".
What Russia is doing is worse -- so we care about Russian misdeeds more. It's really that simple.
If you're a truly moral person, you should give attention proportionately to Bad Things based on how Bad they are. You focus way too much on Ukraine -- which is far Less Bad than Russia for reasons we all agree on (murderously aggressive invasion, civilian bombing, etc).
This is the contradiction you can not novelize yourself out of.
Anyone who has access to media sources outside of Russia and still supports Putin is immoral.
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Trollminator wrote:
Harambe wrote:
What Russia is doing is worse -- so we care about Russian misdeeds more. It's really that simple.
If you're a truly moral person, you should give attention proportionately to Bad Things based on how Bad they are. You focus way too much on Ukraine -- which is far Less Bad than Russia for reasons we all agree on (murderously aggressive invasion, civilian bombing, etc).
This is the contradiction you can not novelize yourself out of.
Anyone who has access to media sources outside of Russia and still supports Putin is immoral.
Ahhh yes, the return of Trollminator.
How did all of that Mueller garbage work out for you? Look's like Team DNC is throwing every bit of sh-t they can in last chance bids to escape.
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Think about it... wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Anyone who has access to media sources outside of Russia and still supports Putin is immoral.
Ahhh yes, the return of Trollminator.How did all of that Mueller garbage work out for you? Look's like Team DNC is throwing every bit of sh-t they can in last chance bids to escape.
Truth is coming.
We have known this for a long time.
Obvi the FBI was in on it too as they knew who Sussman was.
Hillary is an associate in the crime family that runs things and will be protected.
Nobody in the FBI will be indicted.
Sussman may get a slap on the wrist.
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