Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

...and we'll never hit anywhere close to herd immunity anyway. So might as well save the lives of people who want their lives saved. Americans or not Americans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

Fat hurts wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

1) Supposing that the article is representative going forward, I'm having a hard time seeing where electrification of a mere 80% of the personal vehicle fleet isn't an enormous improvement on the current situation. We don't need to have a 100% solution when we're barely taking baby steps at this point.

2) The article isn't representative going forward because it points to an infrastructure problem that that is fixable and inevitable in the long run. The only real question is "how long" is "the long run".

That's the point I've been trying to make. Only you did a much better job.

One solution for EV charging is to provide a tax incentive for home builder, and home owners to install two 240V outlets per home. 240V outlets charge some 6 times faster than 120V outlets. The reason to install two is the convenience of where to put a on-the-wall vehicle charger; this helps with resale of a home. Outlets cost about $200 each installed in an existing home; and cost less installed in new construction (walls don't have to be opened).

For multifamily properties 480V outlets could be installed that use a meter to bill residents using one for charging. This requires a special electrical cable run from the street to property electric meter.

The charging times are roughly:

120V -- 3-4 days to full charge, which most people don't need

240V -- ~8-12 hours to full charge (overnight)

480V -- About 1 hour to full charge.

agip wrote:

...and we'll never hit anywhere close to herd immunity anyway. So might as well save the lives of people who want their lives saved. Americans or not Americans.

Unfortunately, failure of sufficient people getting vaccinated allows covid variants to continue evolving, and that will require people to get revaccinated every year. Anti-vaxxers are a tremendous monetary drag on the future economies. I think we will eventually see companies have building only for vaccinated people, and smaller out-buildings for anti-vaxxers. The only people who will complain about being separated will be the anti-vaxxers.

We already have various incentives in place. I got $400 from my electric utility when I installed my charger.

The ICC building codes already covers EV charging outlets in new construction. It just needs to become widely adopted.

There's some polling data at the link below (figure 3 in particular) that shows white evangelicals generally showing more vaccine hesitancy than most demographics. Of course there a lot of overlap between that group and Republicans so its a problem sorting out these confounding factors for correlation and causation.

Fat hurts wrote:

We already have various incentives in place. I got $400 from my electric utility when I installed my charger.

Utility incentives are not the same as a national tax credit. The point is to get 240V outlets, not chargers, installed in as many homes as possible. A utility incentive will not cover the cost of installing a 240V outlet that. The point of the outlets are to allow homebuyers to install a charger if they wish, and a home seller to claim it as a special feature. Only a national tax credit would help get outlets installed to create flexibility for both homebuyers and home sellers.

Yeah, they handed over unwanted supply as allowed. We'll single-handedly bankroll and supply the rest of the entire world's recovery as per usual (thanks for the help Europe) after all our citizens have been covered. In the meantime, everyone else will get our leftovers

root squared wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

We already have various incentives in place. I got $400 from my electric utility when I installed my charger.

Utility incentives are not the same as a national tax credit. The point is to get 240V outlets, not chargers, installed in as many homes as possible. A utility incentive will not cover the cost of installing a 240V outlet that. The point of the outlets are to allow homebuyers to install a charger if they wish, and a home seller to claim it as a special feature. Only a national tax credit would help get outlets installed to create flexibility for both homebuyers and home sellers.

There are also state and local incentives, and others.

Not saying a national credit is a bad idea. Would be nice to have that. Building codes too.

Joe and Jill Biden are in Virginia to promote the president’s $4tn infrastructure and welfare plans. Biden is due to speak at 1.30pm. He has said he hopes to work with Republicans to pass the legislation, but that seems unlikely.

That actually reinforces my suspicion that white evangelicals are not particularly vaccine hesitant. If you add "I'll only get it if required" and "I definitely won't get it", white evangelicals score exactly the same as "all people ages 18-49".

So according to that study, vaccine hesitancy is about the same among "white evangelicals", "Essential workers, non-health care", "all people ages 18-49", and "Republicans".

Even those 4 groups only scored about 10% higher than a whole bunch of other subgroups. It seems we don't have a good handle on who is most likely to be hesitant.

Fat hurts wrote:

There are also state and local incentives, and others.

Not saying a national credit is a bad idea. Would be nice to have that. Building codes too.

I am not sure you got my point. Everyone existing homeowner I know who has an EV and installed home wall mounted EV charger had to pay an electrician to install a 240V outlet. Tesla works with several electrical contractors who do the outlet and charger installation under contract with them. If the 240V outlet was already in place a homeowner could install the wall charger themselves and plug it in.

agip wrote:

...and we'll never hit anywhere close to herd immunity anyway. So might as well save the lives of people who want their lives saved. Americans or not Americans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

I see this much like other current issues. We are unquestionably part of a global economy in which others rely on us and we on them. At the end of the day, if we can prevent problems from reaching us by attacking them at their source I am all for foreign aid and non-military intervention.

New Deal 2.0 wrote:

Joe and Jill Biden are in Virginia to promote the president’s $4tn infrastructure and welfare plans. Biden is due to speak at 1.30pm. He has said he hopes to work with Republicans to pass the legislation, but that seems unlikely.

Wait, but Rs said he is senile and can't speak without assistance. Hilarious how he keeps hitting homers while they pretend he's not even playing.

Fat hurts wrote:

That actually reinforces my suspicion that white evangelicals are not particularly vaccine hesitant . . .

Here's another one (different survey) broken down by religious affiliation.

I hope the Russians and Republicans have less success creating these monsters in the future.

But that’s just a hope.

https://twitter.com/ericlevitz/status/1389187980187873281?s=21

Trollminator wrote:

New Deal 2.0 wrote:

Joe and Jill Biden are in Virginia to promote the president’s $4tn infrastructure and welfare plans. Biden is due to speak at 1.30pm. He has said he hopes to work with Republicans to pass the legislation, but that seems unlikely.

Wait, but Rs said he is senile and can't speak without assistance. Hilarious how he keeps hitting homers while they pretend he's not even playing.

Wait... you're saying Joe ISN'T senile, and is a good speaker?

agip wrote:

I hope the Russians and Republicans have less success creating these monsters in the future.

But that’s just a hope.

https://twitter.com/ericlevitz/status/1389187980187873281?s=21

I witnessed a monster creation at work a few months ago. Someone I used to have logical conversations with and understanding on these things - how people have been flocking to conspiracy sites and why, etc. Sure enough, she's refusing to get vaccinated because of the "mind control nanochips" and to trust her because she did her research. She must have done a deep dive into those corners of the internet and gotten hooked.

root squared wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

There are also state and local incentives, and others.

Not saying a national credit is a bad idea. Would be nice to have that. Building codes too.

I am not sure you got my point. Everyone existing homeowner I know who has an EV and installed home wall mounted EV charger had to pay an electrician to install a 240V outlet. Tesla works with several electrical contractors who do the outlet and charger installation under contract with them. If the 240V outlet was already in place a homeowner could install the wall charger themselves and plug it in.

You are saying that people would install the 240V outlet in existing homes because the government will pay for it?

Or are you just saying that the government should cover the cost of the outlet in new homes?

I agree that getting those outlets into homes would help drive adoption.

There is already a federal tax credit for charger installation, but I don't think it covers the full cost. I haven't looked at the details because it went into effect after mine was already installed.

This ^ is a much better answer than "It seems that vaccinations are not stopping deaths as you might think they would. "

Anyone who has been paying attention would know by now that this thing hits in rather dramatic waves and then subsides. This has been repeated in locale after locale all around the world. Just looking at the current per capita deaths is meaningless outside of the context of where the particular state is coming from in the their own wave cycle.

1) Pay attention to the individual state cycles

2) Expect to start seeing an impact on said cycles a month after the state reaches 40% vaccination rate.

If that's too much work for you then just say things like "It seems that vaccinations are not stopping deaths as you might think they would. " or "Gee, I don't get it."