All the footage in his YouTube looks more like shuffling at 150ish cadence yet it always stays over 170, sometimes over 180 on every stage unless he is walking or taking breaks.
He also claims to walk the last 11k of the stage when his Achilles hurt. The cadence data is only consistent with walking around the last 6k at most.
There are too many anomalies for this to be genuine.
Goodge says "i don't have my HR on this watch" (his COROS Vertix 2s...) in his latest video (from 19:55) implying that he uses his WHOOP for HR data. even though it's a built in feature of the watch and we've already seen a screenshot from his video of his watch displaying a live heart rate of 121 and 122 while sitting down at the end of his run. Then in this artilhe says 'I'll be wearing my Coros [fitness] watch, and I'll have my Whoop for data on Strava …" But to my knowledge WHOOP does not natively connect to a COROS watch as an external HR monitor. So if this were the case he would be downloading his WHOOP HR data online and merging it with his COROS data using a third party software..? Odd.
For all those saying wrist based HR is unreliable. It's worth noting that Whoop has been one of WG sponsors. So now we know why "tech fail" is no longer an excuse given by the Goodge Camp for the strange HR. Cannot bite the hand that feeds you. It does make one wonder how the whole tech part of this is architected. How something so simple like running and tracking running can be made so complex is a real head scratcher.
Had to check. unclear to me why one wrist based HR monitor would be preferred over another. Technically they are probably similar.
WHOOP Data Sync with Strava Yes, you can upload WHOOP data to Strava via automatic sync. How WHOOP Syncs with Strava • WHOOP offers a direct integration with Strava, allowing cardio-based activities recorded on your WHOOP device to automatically upload to your Strava account once the integration is enabled. • To set up the sync: • Open the WHOOP app and go to the settings menu. • Navigate to “Integrations” and select “Strava.” • Tap “Connect Strava” and authorize the connection. • Choose which activity types you want shared and enable automatic posting. What Data Is Shared When you sync WHOOP with Strava, the following data is uploaded for each eligible activity: • Activity type • Elapsed time • Calories • Heart rate data (including detailed heart rate graphs) • Activity strain • Recovery score or hours of sleep (depending on your settings) • GPS route data (if available and enabled during the activity) • Metrics derived from GPS, such as distance and pace (calculated by Strava)
For all those saying wrist based HR is unreliable. It's worth noting that Whoop has been one of WG sponsors. So now we know why "tech fail" is no longer an excuse given by the Goodge Camp for the strange HR. Cannot bite the hand that feeds you. It does make one wonder how the whole tech part of this is architected. How something so simple like running and tracking running can be made so complex is a real head scratcher.
Had to check. unclear to me why one wrist based HR monitor would be preferred over another. Technically they are probably similar.
WHOOP Data Sync with Strava Yes, you can upload WHOOP data to Strava via automatic sync. How WHOOP Syncs with Strava • WHOOP offers a direct integration with Strava, allowing cardio-based activities recorded on your WHOOP device to automatically upload to your Strava account once the integration is enabled. • To set up the sync: • Open the WHOOP app and go to the settings menu. • Navigate to “Integrations” and select “Strava.” • Tap “Connect Strava” and authorize the connection. • Choose which activity types you want shared and enable automatic posting. What Data Is Shared When you sync WHOOP with Strava, the following data is uploaded for each eligible activity: • Activity type • Elapsed time • Calories • Heart rate data (including detailed heart rate graphs) • Activity strain • Recovery score or hours of sleep (depending on your settings) • GPS route data (if available and enabled during the activity) • Metrics derived from GPS, such as distance and pace (calculated by Strava)
AI knows, here's summary : COROS and WHOOP both use optical heart rate monitoring technology based on PPG, with multi-LED and multi-photodiode sensor arrays. However, WHOOP’s latest sensors use a broader spectrum of light (including red and infrared) and are integrated into a platform focused on continuous, advanced physiological monitoring. COROS’s sensors (in both watches and armbands) are more conventional, focusing on real-time HR data for athletic training, with less emphasis on continuous health analytics. In summary, while both use similar underlying optical technology, the implementation, sensor design, and platform integration differ significantly. They are not exactly the same, but they are comparable in their core approach to wrist/arm-based heart rate monitoring.
That bit in the video with the HR on linked in the picture here is when you finish an activity on a Corus watch. You then can end or resume it. It’s not a main screen display that bit.
So you're saying by ending an activity you can get a HR display even when you haven't preprogrammed to display it during the activity proper? Meaning if someone asked you for a HR you could hit stop on the watch and show it? And why would anyone doing what this guy is doing not want to see his HR during an activity in the first place? You'd think that that and pace would be the most important metrics when running literally all day long. This is a serious question.
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That bit in the video with the HR on linked in the picture here is when you finish an activity on a Corus watch. You then can end or resume it. It’s not a main screen display that bit.
So you're saying by ending an activity you can get a HR display even when you haven't preprogrammed to display it during the activity proper? Meaning if someone asked you for a HR you could hit stop on the watch and show it? And why would anyone doing what this guy is doing not want to see his HR during an activity in the first place? You'd think that that and pace would be the most important metrics when running literally all day long. This is a serious question.
What are you on about? Ending an activity gives you a breakdown of a various things which aren’t selected to be on your watch face. Pace is the only important metric here, unless you’re doing specific zone training why the hell would you want to fixate on your heart rate for 100km.
It would be interesting to match up the Coros HR data with the Whoop one. And again, this would be something he should be doing to get all of us skeptics to back off.
But he does nothing to put any of this to rest, because he has no way to defend the bogus data.
So you're saying by ending an activity you can get a HR display even when you haven't preprogrammed to display it during the activity proper? Meaning if someone asked you for a HR you could hit stop on the watch and show it? And why would anyone doing what this guy is doing not want to see his HR during an activity in the first place? You'd think that that and pace would be the most important metrics when running literally all day long. This is a serious question.
What are you on about? Ending an activity gives you a breakdown of a various things which aren’t selected to be on your watch face. Pace is the only important metric here, unless you’re doing specific zone training why the hell would you want to fixate on your heart rate for 100km.
Very simple, lots of people view his HR data suspiciously. No one I know runs for hrs, up and down hills and in all kinds of weather at 90bpm. Yet he does this consistently.
You'd think that would be enough for him to make sure he keeps track of it as accurately as he can, even to the point of being redundant, esp since hes going for a WR.
So you're saying by ending an activity you can get a HR display even when you haven't preprogrammed to display it during the activity proper? Meaning if someone asked you for a HR you could hit stop on the watch and show it? And why would anyone doing what this guy is doing not want to see his HR during an activity in the first place? You'd think that that and pace would be the most important metrics when running literally all day long. This is a serious question.
What are you on about? Ending an activity gives you a breakdown of a various things which aren’t selected to be on your watch face. Pace is the only important metric here, unless you’re doing specific zone training why the hell would you want to fixate on your heart rate for 100km.
Because the fact that you're doing an EXTREME event would mean you would want a real time monitor of your physiological load as conditions and terrain vary. So it's not a matter of "fixating" on anything; it's a matter of effort management, which would be more important than ever in an event like this. For instance. if you were getting at all dehydrated on a drier or windier than average a day (or maybe because you were drinking beers and smoking after your 110kms from the day before) , or if you were incubating a virus, your HR would register it before anything else.
I don't coach anyone based on HR zones, but I look closely at HR data over time to make sure subjective effort is matching actual physiological load from week to week. You clearly know very little about running; which is, I suppose, why you're a Goodge-guy.
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Been following this for a couple weeks, erring on the side of suspicioun but still so unsure.
Yes, he looks ridiculously fresh. That is extremely odd. And the HR stuff is strange.
I was just looking at some of his training from earlier in the year though, and he did a multi day in Japan clocking similar Ks and pace with a similar HR. What do we think about that?
I just watched his most recent vid and man it would be crazy if everyone in that video is actually lying through their teeth. I actually find that harder to believe. In a convo witn his dad, Will straight up acknowledges how fckd up it would be for him and the team to all be lying, particularly with his mums death as a major motivator and part of the narrative. I think I just don't want to believe that a group of people could be willing to lie like that for so little gain.
I know Armstrong did it, but he was defending his entire identity and career. It makes more sense to me that he doubled down.
But a random transom attempt...wtf!
The video shows at least 2 sets of people (one guy, and then another couple of young kids) who had not pre-empted their arrival and instead just found Will running and then joined. Does that lend a little more credit, too?
Yeah, Rob young didn't have a youtube series. The production level required to "fake" a documentary for so many weeks on this and then the US run? Why would they even create youtube videos at all if they were cheating? Also, everyone involved in the videos would have to be faking it. It's just all too much. He's just an extraordinary human doing an incredible feat of running
Started following Will around day 3 or 4 when he popped up in my socials and I'm not an ultra runner so my experience will probably not mean much. I live in rural South Australia in the Riverland. Last week when they passed through I took a detour on my way to work in the morning and spotted Will trotting along the Goyder Highway, Barmera. Later that morning I was in Renmark and spotted him again on Renmark Avenue, I parked my car up hoping for a high five or a g'day and he ended up stopping for a few minutes for a yarn and was all smiles, super nice guy. I met the team at the Maccas carpark, all super nice and they asked if I wanted to run with him after my work. I let my colleagues out at Yamba know that he would be coming though later and they were impressed when he came through that afternoon. Again I know this won't mean much, but after seeing a few comments about Will not having many witnesses I thought I'd put my 2 cents in.
Yeah, Rob young didn't have a youtube series. The production level required to "fake" a documentary for so many weeks on this and then the US run? Why would they even create youtube videos at all if they were cheating? Also, everyone involved in the videos would have to be faking it. It's just all too much. He's just an extraordinary human doing an incredible feat of running
Let me ask a question and point a few things out for you and "still dunno": So you've seen his crew. Have you also seen them smoking, drinking, and addressing legit concerns about his data with a collective "f*ck off"? And he's raising money for cancer awareness or whatever while also defiantly smoking and drinking in his videos. And you tell me these aren't the kind of people who could be a least fudging things a little to make sure he closes the deal?
He has staked a ton on this attempt and is getting very well paid for it (he says it's now "his job"). He's taking much bigger financial risks than Rob Young, for instance.. How do you think the fundraising for his next one would go if, after literally naming this one "The record down under" he crashed out completely? Cheating in this thing is risky (but then, if we're correct-- and we are-- he's gotten away with this before), but doing it legit and failing is a bigger and more immediate risk, given the stakes already played. People have cheated at this stuff before and gotten caught. Nothing serious happens to them. They just disappear and are completely forgotten in a few months (except by us here at LRC!). Either way-- going legit and failing or cheating and getting caught-- he's probably finished. But by cheating he's got a much better chance of walking away with the money and being able to line up at least one more big pay day. This goes for his crew, too.
Finally, yeah, it may be hard for some to believe his whole crew could be helping to rig this thing. But then it's equally hard to believe that he's legit and yet will not take obvious, simple steps to address completely legitimate, well founded skepticism about his data. Ask yourself, why would his crew not be urging him to provide back-up proof, or even doing it themselves? I mean, if you're taking time out to make a video telling critics to "f*ck off" you'd think you'd maybe livestream a few hours of what you're doing, showing that the HRs, paces, and cadences you're posting every day on Strava are matched in reality.
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People have cheated at this stuff before and gotten caught. Nothing serious happens to them. They just disappear and are completely forgotten in a few months (except by us here at LRC!).
Frank Meza says hi. …or at least he would if he could.
I hear ya SB - the attitude I find obnoxious, and strange not to show more proof, but that doesn't seal the deal for me. They could be taking advantage of the controversy for financial reasons, more eyeballs (certainly the only reason I'm paying attention).
And yeah, financial incentives make people cheat - no doubt. I guess I just feel as though this would be so hard to even attempt to fake that I'm surprised they'd even try.
Do you expect this to come undone in the final days when there can naturally be more eyes on him? Surely
What do you think about the HR stuff in his multiday that he ran in Japan in Feb?
Does anyone know much about the project Goodge did in the UK at the end of 2021. 48 marathons in 30 days across the UK. I believe this was his first running spectacle so would be odd if he cheated in that as well. But I found this random run on Day 16, and there may be an explanation for the weird data if he used this specifically to post on Strava but ran a different route with different paces, but this specific dataset appears almost certainly vehicle assisted. The paces for the whole run are on target for a 3 hour marathon but two extended breaks brings his final time to almost 5 hours. No HR data (which he provides on his other marathons albeit a lot with flatlines and no variation), and he reaches a peak of 2:49/km at one point 32ish km in. Also the GPS itself looks like scribbles. Anyone have any thoughts or info?
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The conclusion is that they'd have to be altering the HR on all of his big runs. Japan included. If this is what's happening, then I imagine there would likely to be a discrepancy between Whoop and Coros.
If people want something to be done, it's the arbiters - Guinness that need to be contacted. That would possibly force both data sets to be analysed side by side. If they are the same, then maybe it is real, but a good old fashioned Geezers analysis, which sadly won't happen (and even if it did now, is probably irrelevant as he could probably hang on for a week at this slow pace) was the best way to prove/disprove this.
