seasoned ranker wrote:
Kslay wrote:
Hiltz has "come out" as a transgender athlete (eye roll) then shouldn't "he" be running in the men's race?? Ugh, tired of this stuff!!!
Yes, I too am tired of people making this same tired uninformed comment you did.
We are supposed to applaud this.
But what?
A female says she sometimes feel like a male?
Seems to me she is a good old fashion butch lesbian
bumblefart wrote:
For you racists against "transplant" americans, what's the native nationalities that you consider "true" american? Or what's the cut-off year to immigrate to the US? Since everyone had family immigrate here at some point (not counting native americans), when year do you consider the cut off to be a "true" american????
It’s got nothing to do with racism. How can it be racism when I am a big fan of many African American athletes?
That said, I don’t like it when foreign born runners come over for the express purpose of running and take over spots that might go to what you call “true Americans”. I define true Americans as American citizens developed within the US system from when they started running. Nuguse from Norte Dame and James Muanga (sp? Gonzaga) fit that description even though they are naturalized.
I’m not a fan when they are identified in their home countries as gifted runners and come here as such, either recruited to run college or join the army. They are ringers in that regard. Kerati and Chelimo, for example. I’m sure they are nice and decent people but ...
This isn’t limited to the US. My own home country (yes, I’m an immigrant) has been recruiting foreign born athletes to represent the country in international competition and I find that distasteful. Distance event at the Asian Games are now being won by African transplants. Yuck.
juvie wrote:
bumblefart wrote:
For you racists against "transplant" americans, what's the native nationalities that you consider "true" american? Or what's the cut-off year to immigrate to the US? Since everyone had family immigrate here at some point (not counting native americans), when year do you consider the cut off to be a "true" american????
It’s got nothing to do with racism. How can it be racism when I am a big fan of many African American athletes?
That said, I don’t like it when foreign born runners come over for the express purpose of running and take over spots that might go to what you call “true Americans”. I define true Americans as American citizens developed within the US system from when they started running. Nuguse from Norte Dame and James Muanga (sp? Gonzaga) fit that description even though they are naturalized.
I’m not a fan when they are identified in their home countries as gifted runners and come here as such, either recruited to run college or join the army. They are ringers in that regard. Kerati and Chelimo, for example. I’m sure they are nice and decent people but ...
This isn’t limited to the US. My own home country (yes, I’m an immigrant) has been recruiting foreign born athletes to represent the country in international competition and I find that distasteful. Distance event at the Asian Games are now being won by African transplants. Yuck.
Dude, Nuguse was born in Louisville. He’s been a citizen his entire life and was not naturalized.
Concupiscurd wrote:
hobbyjogger18 wrote:
I get it Bowerman definitely has lost some credibility with the whole Houlihan thing however HOW CAN YOU HATE GRANT FISHER that man is an ABSOLUTE UNIT on the track
This guilt by association vibe on here is so high school. I am a Grant fan and I think he is clean.
I like Grant too, and I'm not accusing him of anything, but I (and probably many other running fans) will now have serious doubts whenever we see big performances from the BTC
juvie wrote:
bumblefart wrote:
For you racists against "transplant" americans, what's the native nationalities that you consider "true" american? Or what's the cut-off year to immigrate to the US? Since everyone had family immigrate here at some point (not counting native americans), when year do you consider the cut off to be a "true" american????
It’s got nothing to do with racism. How can it be racism when I am a big fan of many African American athletes?
That said, I don’t like it when foreign born runners come over for the express purpose of running and take over spots that might go to what you call “true Americans”. I define true Americans as American citizens developed within the US system from when they started running. Nuguse from Norte Dame and James Muanga (sp? Gonzaga) fit that description even though they are naturalized.
I’m not a fan when they are identified in their home countries as gifted runners and come here as such, either recruited to run college or join the army. They are ringers in that regard. Kerati and Chelimo, for example. I’m sure they are nice and decent people but ...
This isn’t limited to the US. My own home country (yes, I’m an immigrant) has been recruiting foreign born athletes to represent the country in international competition and I find that distasteful. Distance event at the Asian Games are now being won by African transplants. Yuck.
You need to stop whining and step up your game. Even if the transplants never happens, when you get to the Olympics without the transplants you will still get crushed over and over until you step it up. They actually raise the bar which is a good thing, we Americans like competition.
Colby wrote:
juvie wrote:
It’s got nothing to do with racism. How can it be racism when I am a big fan of many African American athletes?
That said, I don’t like it when foreign born runners come over for the express purpose of running and take over spots that might go to what you call “true Americans”. I define true Americans as American citizens developed within the US system from when they started running. Nuguse from Norte Dame and James Muanga (sp? Gonzaga) fit that description even though they are naturalized.
I’m not a fan when they are identified in their home countries as gifted runners and come here as such, either recruited to run college or join the army. They are ringers in that regard. Kerati and Chelimo, for example. I’m sure they are nice and decent people but ...
This isn’t limited to the US. My own home country (yes, I’m an immigrant) has been recruiting foreign born athletes to represent the country in international competition and I find that distasteful. Distance event at the Asian Games are now being won by African transplants. Yuck.
You need to stop whining and step up your game. Even if the transplants never happens, when you get to the Olympics without the transplants you will still get crushed over and over until you step it up. They actually raise the bar which is a good thing, we Americans like competition.
Whining is your word, not mine. I’m not whining. I’m expressing an opinion. You’re whining that I don’t think the same way you do. You don’t get to tell me what I ought to think. Deal with it.
Participation in the Olympics is not about winning at all costs. It’s about participating honorably. There you go, another concept you’re gonna have trouble with. Good luck.
You're arguing with people who are remarkably stupid, and who are trying to fill the void in their pathetic lives by trying to insult others.
Colby wrote:
juvie wrote:
It’s got nothing to do with racism. How can it be racism when I am a big fan of many African American athletes?
That said, I don’t like it when foreign born runners come over for the express purpose of running and take over spots that might go to what you call “true Americans”. I define true Americans as American citizens developed within the US system from when they started running. Nuguse from Norte Dame and James Muanga (sp? Gonzaga) fit that description even though they are naturalized.
I’m not a fan when they are identified in their home countries as gifted runners and come here as such, either recruited to run college or join the army. They are ringers in that regard. Kerati and Chelimo, for example. I’m sure they are nice and decent people but ...
This isn’t limited to the US. My own home country (yes, I’m an immigrant) has been recruiting foreign born athletes to represent the country in international competition and I find that distasteful. Distance event at the Asian Games are now being won by African transplants. Yuck.
You need to stop whining and step up your game. Even if the transplants never happens, when you get to the Olympics without the transplants you will still get crushed over and over until you step it up. They actually raise the bar which is a good thing, we Americans like competition.
Which was the point of my op. Three US born runners took the Olympic berths after years of being displaced by transplants who happen to be from African countries. I'd post the same thing if they were Euro born. That's you quiche eaters turning it into a race thing. If Lomong had made I'd be cool with that because he was just a kid when he came over. I'm talking about guys like Lagat who were established. I never accepted him as repping the US.
I have no problem with these guys coming over here to better themselves and race but I want US born guys to finish ahead of them.
You can call it Nationalism if you want but that doesn't bother me. You don't see foreign 400 runners taking up US citizenship just to run track. Now why is that? Couldn't be it's easier to be a star in your native country than in the US where we dominate the event.
I wonder if the beloved True had been fourth behind Bor if there wouldn't be some complaining about that.
Kslay wrote:
Hiltz has "come out" as a transgender athlete (eye roll) then shouldn't "he" be running in the men's race?? Ugh, tired of this stuff!!!
I was thinking "they" said that sometimes they wake up felling like a he and sometimes like a she.
If she woke up feeling like a he, would he run in the men's race?
I think not.
And I wish someone would ask them why.
Purrier, Dairy
Only, 6 DIDN'T make it.
I didn't even know he was still running.
It might be a kicker's race and only about 3 women have the standard.
Yes
They had it on the NBC site from 9-10 CST.
Rastus from my cell phone wrote:
Colby wrote:
You need to stop whining and step up your game. Even if the transplants never happens, when you get to the Olympics without the transplants you will still get crushed over and over until you step it up. They actually raise the bar which is a good thing, we Americans like competition.
Which was the point of my op. Three US born runners took the Olympic berths after years of being displaced by transplants who happen to be from African countries. I'd post the same thing if they were Euro born. That's you quiche eaters turning it into a race thing. If Lomong had made I'd be cool with that because he was just a kid when he came over. I'm talking about guys like Lagat who were established. I never accepted him as repping the US.
I have no problem with these guys coming over here to better themselves and race but I want US born guys to finish ahead of them.
You can call it Nationalism if you want but that doesn't bother me. You don't see foreign 400 runners taking up US citizenship just to run track. Now why is that? Couldn't be it's easier to be a star in your native country than in the US where we dominate the event.
I wonder if the beloved True had been fourth behind Bor if there wouldn't be some complaining about that.
They are citizens like all the other competitors and the folks you’re referring to earned that citizenship.
Random question xyz wrote:
Rastus from my cell phone wrote:
Which was the point of my op. Three US born runners took the Olympic berths after years of being displaced by transplants who happen to be from African countries. I'd post the same thing if they were Euro born. That's you quiche eaters turning it into a race thing. If Lomong had made I'd be cool with that because he was just a kid when he came over. I'm talking about guys like Lagat who were established. I never accepted him as repping the US.
I have no problem with these guys coming over here to better themselves and race but I want US born guys to finish ahead of them.
You can call it Nationalism if you want but that doesn't bother me. You don't see foreign 400 runners taking up US citizenship just to run track. Now why is that? Couldn't be it's easier to be a star in your native country than in the US where we dominate the event.
I wonder if the beloved True had been fourth behind Bor if there wouldn't be some complaining about that.
They are citizens like all the other competitors and the folks you’re referring to earned that citizenship.
Most of them hold dual citizenship. And they go back home after their careers end here. Pretty convenient.
Random question xyz wrote:
They are citizens like all the other competitors and the folks you’re referring to earned that citizenship.
That’s cool. The bureaucrats and administrators and coaches and big corporations have created the pathways, and the foreign born athletes have taken advantage. I never said it was illegal nor unsanctioned. But it doesn’t mean I approve or have to like it
Sean O Hare's dad invested him in golf and it paid off. I think it was 2 mill
Spread over 10 days is a bit excessive no? British trials are 3 days.