RYinvestigator wrote:
Wow, Marcus was already investigating him in mid May. Huge respect for him!
Markus seems to be a clever guy and the only ultralister among those who have come here that I respect.
But it doesn't change the fact that if letsrun had been notified of this mid-May the cheater would have been taken down a long time ago. Fortunately he's blowing up now.
Next time, call letsrun cheatbusters immediately.
I was fortunate enough to be able to ride my bike for a shirt distance in Pennsylvania with a self-supported crosser (incredible feat she did averaging over 30 miles a day pushing a stroller).
She told me the most difficult part of the run was Pennsylvania. You know you are getting near the finish line, but the terrain is constant up and down. Very slow and arduous. There aren't major climbs, the mountains top out around 1500 feet. The highest point in Pennsylvania is 3200 feet (Mt Davis) but it's south of the route I think he will take.
Her route into NYC made the most sense to me. I haven't looked at the current route (I'll definitely try to meet up with the crew when they get to Eastern Pennsylvania), but the way she ran was via Hackettstown NJ to the George Washington Bridge. Rte 46 to 10 is probably the best way to the bridge. It is course traffic-nutty around there and it only gets wackier as you get closer to the Bridge.
Best of luck!
Mark
who ya gonna call? wrote:
RYinvestigator wrote:Wow, Marcus was already investigating him in mid May. Huge respect for him!
Markus seems to be a clever guy and the only ultralister among those who have come here that I respect.
But it doesn't change the fact that if letsrun had been notified of this mid-May the cheater would have been taken down a long time ago. Fortunately he's blowing up now.
Next time, call letsrun cheatbusters immediately.
Right. So many depressed typical LRCer type boots on the ground right now doing all the heaving lifting -- the mind boggles.
Frank is a legend around here (I live about an hour from his store). This video shows the running style you need to have to get across the US quickly. He floats like a butterly without any energy exterted.
Jehosephat wrote:
I do hope someone tried the "do you know who I am?" card.
If I have to leave my basement, I'm gonna kick some ass!
MightyUlist wrote:
who ya gonna call? wrote:Markus seems to be a clever guy and the only ultralister among those who have come here that I respect.
But it doesn't change the fact that if letsrun had been notified of this mid-May the cheater would have been taken down a long time ago. Fortunately he's blowing up now.
Next time, call letsrun cheatbusters immediately.
Right. So many depressed typical LRCer type boots on the ground right now doing all the heaving lifting -- the mind boggles.
Are they needed? If not, why should they be there?
CaptainandtheToenail wrote:
Frank is a legend around here (I live about an hour from his store). This video shows the running style you need to have to get across the US quickly. He floats like a butterly without any energy exterted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIeDWc6KFIk
I conclude from that video that to be a great ultra runner you have to run like a sore assed gay.
Posted to the ulist by Ray
Life is sometimes strange. I have observed Robert Young, ultramarathonmanuk for two nights now. I have observed him running, very fast at times, slowly at other times, walking and taking rests, sometimes lots of rest. Still, he appears to be running out of energy and drive.
I am reporting here because the ultralist began a crowdfunding effort to have Robert’s run, or at least part of it verified. (I know much of the ultralist on this subject is copied to Letsrun, so welcome to those readers as well.)
Questions about the veracity of mileage being recorded on this effort began within the first few days of the run. Long before Robert reached the place where the famous “Asher video†was recorded people were wondering about the record paces run for segments, and the multiple quality six-day performances being recorded… consecutively.
I had commented that I might go visit when he got to Ohio, thinking I would do so on my return from the Great New York Running Exposition 100 Mile. That was not to be. Boots (running shoes) needed to be on the ground, immediately. I changed plans to meet the run and the other “Geezers†in Indianapolis. As I made my way northwest, it was apparent the Transcon had slowed; perhaps the rendezvous would be in Terre Haute. That was not to be either. I ended up finding Rob, his team and the Geezers a few miles west of St. Elmo Illinois at noon on Monday June 13.
I met Robert, who is indeed a likeable and friendly man. (This does not say anything about his running ability, his previous claims, or claims during this run. My objective was to observe and report. I am doing that now. The fact is, however, that he is friendly and welcoming. He converses about a variety of topics, and as laz has pointed out is somewhat naive about many aspects of running, particularly multiday running.)) We walked about 1/3 of a mile before he marked his stopping place… and took a 6 hour break. Team Geezer went to lunch/dinner and took care of our needs. At 5:30 Geezers were back in place. Rob showed up shortly after six, and by 6:10 he set out walking toward St. Elmo. We watched from behind for a few minutes then drove two miles up the road where I got out of the car to walk with Robert.
Shortly after we began walking, together Robert started to run. We covered the next mile at about 9 minute pace with him gradually increasing the speed. He asked if he was going too fast and I told him I had a 100 miler coming up and wanted to run closer to the pace for that event. Robert then blasted off running the next mile at or around seven minutes, he slowed slightly, got a drink from the RV than began walking shortly afterwards. I plugged along at 10:30 per mile pace, and within a mile (32 minutes from when we began walking together) we were back together three miles down the road and walking again. I got back into Geezer Support Vehicle #2 shortly after that.
We continued to monitor until RY took a break at a Walgreens in Effingham at 11:30 pm. He was still there when the Geezers had a shift change shortly after 2 am. As the shift change took place RY emerged from the RV and began walking again. I saw him next at the 12:00 noon shift change. The entire team Geezer stayed on the job until he stopped at what he and his crew were calling 60 miles for the day. I think it may have been slightly less on the map, but he remained a set distance from NYC, so I was not worried about an exact number. At that point Robert was going to take a break in the heat of the day until 6:00 pm. We recorded a brief video marking the time and place he stopped.
At 6:00 pm Geezer team 2 was in place. RY emerged from the RV at 6:22 and began walking at 6:29. After some walking he began running and recorded a three mile section in about 30 minutes. He continued running and breaking with the running becoming less and the walking more. The entire pace was slowing. He took 1:24 to cover the next 3.2 miles. He did state that he had to take two breaks in that section. He continued to show signs of fatigue. He took over an hour to complete the next 1.8 miles, again with a long break. At one point he walked up to the RV and crossed his arms on the window and lay his head there. He stated he was knackered (a British term meaning exhausted I learned while running a 6 day (463 miles) in 1984.) His crew told him he was ½ mile from the Indiana Border. I sang the chorus from “Indiana Wants Me†by R Dean Taylor) and he set off for Indiana. There was no sign “Welcome to Indianaâ€. RY hot there and we took pictures in front of a sign that said “Welcome to Vigo Countyâ€. At that point Robert sat on the ground for a few minutes before going to the RV to sleep.
The Geezers made a shift change. RY rested until 3:30 am then commenced traveling. There was no running off, he was slow. He completed 40 miles for the day by noon, and went to a motel to rest before resuming again at 6:00 pm this afternoon 6/15/2016. I will be there when he resumes his effort.
A few side notes. Robert expressed concern about not being believed. I told him there were many questions about his data. He claimed people were looking at small sections of data. I agreed that while this was true that there were also people looking at maps and taking point A then point B 10 days later. They were concerned that his 10 day totals were international class, with some sections world class. He stated he would like to run the Sri Chinmoy 10 day race. He said he feels his best talent is in multi day running.
He said he wants to run ultras. I told him that would be good as most runners who are questioned, then challenged to show up at races do not do so. We talked running. He feels he could approach, and hopefully surpass 500 miles in a six day run.
Robert is tired. He is in a place many of us have been, fighting fatigue and pain. Individually they are formidable opponants. Together they are oppressive.
I am off to observe once again. Watch this space. I just may share more observations.
New laz update as well:
"this was a hard day.
the temperatures were the lowest yet.
but the humidity was out of sight.
everyone cooked, most especially RY.
I know about the raging controversy over the early parts of the race.
as much pleasure as it seems to give everyone to rehash those,
I think that has been and is being adequately covered.
RY got off to a late start this morning,
and it really looked like the game was over.
the first mile and a half took him 55 minutes.
it looked like he was going to simply drop at any moment.
subsequent miles were little better.
a couple of times he sat down on the side of the road,
and it looked like he would never be able to get back up....
once, he just fell face down.
putting a lump and a cut on his forehead...
when his crew reached him, his face was covered with blood...
and he was asleep.
but, he did get back up... every time.
at times, his pace slowed to a mile an hour.
to be perfectly honest,
if he were an entrant in a race I directed,
I would have pulled the plug.
whatever the outcome,
and both the monitors and the participants know that many questions will be faced after this concludes,
it is a shame that no one may ever appreciate the sheer determination that it took to get 40 miles today.
if I might be allowed to say something positive about RY.
he will not quit.
regardless of that, team RY really has their backs against the wall now.
this close to the end, it is a catastrophe to miss your required daily mileage.
I am waiting to see what the new rdm will be.
it cannot be good.
he was having to kill himself to reach the old number.
and now he needs to come up with more.
this really looks like a death spiral.
now you can return to beating dead horses.
laz"
Wow
More great stuff from laz. Some more material from fake laz now as well please.
That's great, Rob! Keep it up!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
mightylist is great wrote:
MightyUlist wrote:Right. So many depressed typical LRCer type boots on the ground right now doing all the heaving lifting -- the mind boggles.
Are they needed? If not, why should they be there?
You tell me, you do you think they are needed? If so, they should ask their parents for the car keys and credit card and get over there and get into the rotation. Otherwise, sit tight, stfu and let the men on the road handle it from here.
fujtyjdj wrote:
New laz update as well:
"this was a hard day.
the temperatures were the lowest yet.
but the humidity was out of sight.
everyone cooked, most especially RY.
I know about the raging controversy over the early parts of the race.
as much pleasure as it seems to give everyone to rehash those,
I think that has been and is being adequately covered.
RY got off to a late start this morning,
and it really looked like the game was over.
the first mile and a half took him 55 minutes.
it looked like he was going to simply drop at any moment.
subsequent miles were little better.
a couple of times he sat down on the side of the road,
and it looked like he would never be able to get back up....
once, he just fell face down.
putting a lump and a cut on his forehead...
when his crew reached him, his face was covered with blood...
and he was asleep.
but, he did get back up... every time.
at times, his pace slowed to a mile an hour.
to be perfectly honest,
if he were an entrant in a race I directed,
I would have pulled the plug.
whatever the outcome,
and both the monitors and the participants know that many questions will be faced after this concludes,
it is a shame that no one may ever appreciate the sheer determination that it took to get 40 miles today.
if I might be allowed to say something positive about RY.
he will not quit.
regardless of that, team RY really has their backs against the wall now.
this close to the end, it is a catastrophe to miss your required daily mileage.
I am waiting to see what the new rdm will be.
it cannot be good.
he was having to kill himself to reach the old number.
and now he needs to come up with more.
this really looks like a death spiral.
now you can return to beating dead horses.
laz"
Dang .... Now I feel sorry for RY.
I think he still has room for redemption. Not sure what is best for his "career", but for the man, he should come clean and start fresh.
Good luck Robert.
Oh dear...
Looks like Dustin's latest fairytale isn't going to have a happy ending.
Give the game up lads, time to come home before he really does some damage.
fujtyjdj wrote:
New laz update as well:
"this was a hard day.
the temperatures were the lowest yet.
but the humidity was out of sight.
everyone cooked, most especially RY.
I know about the raging controversy over the early parts of the race.
as much pleasure as it seems to give everyone to rehash those,
I think that has been and is being adequately covered.
RY got off to a late start this morning,
and it really looked like the game was over.
the first mile and a half took him 55 minutes.
it looked like he was going to simply drop at any moment.
subsequent miles were little better.
a couple of times he sat down on the side of the road,
and it looked like he would never be able to get back up....
once, he just fell face down.
putting a lump and a cut on his forehead...
when his crew reached him, his face was covered with blood...
and he was asleep.
but, he did get back up... every time.
at times, his pace slowed to a mile an hour.
to be perfectly honest,
if he were an entrant in a race I directed,
I would have pulled the plug.
whatever the outcome,
and both the monitors and the participants know that many questions will be faced after this concludes,
it is a shame that no one may ever appreciate the sheer determination that it took to get 40 miles today.
if I might be allowed to say something positive about RY.
he will not quit.
regardless of that, team RY really has their backs against the wall now.
this close to the end, it is a catastrophe to miss your required daily mileage.
I am waiting to see what the new rdm will be.
it cannot be good.
he was having to kill himself to reach the old number.
and now he needs to come up with more.
this really looks like a death spiral.
now you can return to beating dead horses.
laz"
Wont someone think of the children!!! He can't let them down.
What is the address for the Ultra list where Laz is posting?
Wow, that is some update. The guy does have pluck. Those are some words coming from Laz who has personally witnessed many people in that twilight of utter exhaustion and fatigue, pushed to their limit.
Seriously, if anyone who is reading this who is connected to RY or Team Geezer, this sounds like a really unsafe situation. Please don't keep going to try to prove a point. Take a good, healthy break, at least a day, and then decide if you want to keep going again just for the experience. Falling asleep on your feet on the highway is not safe.
MightyUlist wrote:
mightylist is a POS wrote:Are they needed? If not, why should they be there?
You tell me, you do you think they are needed?
So you couldn't even answer my question.
Listen ultraPOS. It took almost a month before you old retards got your act together. As you can read from rayK's report you would still have been sitting in your rocking chairs unless The Great Asher Delmott had put his feet on the ground and brought back a video (never mind if you don't know what that is) documenting the cheating.