Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Colin Bombah Harris wrote:

Ernest wrote:

In MSM, Ukraine civilian losses are trumpeted - and certainly exaggerated.

No, they are not trumpeted any more than one would expect large and often deliberate civilian killings in an invasion by an enemy of the West would be reported in MSM. I think your bias is that you just don't like being reminded Ukrainian civilians are dying by the thousands. It's important and significant news of a major world event.

Conversely, Ukraine military casualties and losses are grossly under-reported and receive disproportionate prominence.

No, they are not. We are all aware, via Western media reports, of the magnitude of the Ukrainian civilians and troops being killed by Russians. I gave you some examples. They are easy to find and reported often. No one disputes that the Russians are killing Ukrainians by the tens of thousands.

Russian war crimes and civilian casualties are atrocities. Ukraine war crimes and civilian casualties are negligible and excusable.

Untrue. You're misapprehension is that you believe the atrocities must be occurring in equal amounts on either side, hence more reports about Russian war crimes and atrocities can only be attributable to biased media reporting. That type of fallacy -- that a disparity can only be caused by an unfair bias -- is often used by Woke-types in the US regarding racial issues. There are more war crimes and atrocities by Russian soldiers being reported, because they are committing more war crimes and atrocities again Ukrainian civilians than Ukrainians are committing against Russian civilians.

The Russian side and people are de-humanized, vilified, and presented as incompetent.

True. I thought you wanted factual reporting without bias?

The Ukraine side is glorified. Victories attributed to valor and prowess. But surely have more to do with tens of billions in high-tech weaponry, assistance, and intelligence provided.

Untrue. Endless MSM stories about NATO weapons being provided to Ukraine and used by Ukrainians, and how important they are to the Ukraine effort. Zelenskyy says as much all the time, and that gets reported too.

Ukrainians are, by the way, putting up a heroic effort against a disgusting and murderous invading force. They seem willing to risk their lives and die by the thousands for the sovereignty of their country and desire not to be ruled and occupied (and killed) by invaders.

You see spurious allegation routinely selectively presented as fact. "The UDF reports..." "A Ukraine spokesperson said... " and with that disclaimer, any manner of unverified and suspect claim follows.

I haven't seen much of this at all. The Moskva did sink, but people waited until it was confirmed by multiple sources with facts, before it was celebrated. Same with all other events showcasing extreme Russian incompetence -- e.g., cowardly retreat from Kyiv, incompetent attempts by Russian to cross the Siverskyi Donets River.

Instead a link to a destroyed plane and a surrender refusal in Mariupol as posted as if these explain it away.

Cheap comment. I gave you linked examples that defeated your claim (and prefaced the post with the fact that I was giving examples). Obviously, I can't post a comprehensive list, which would involve tens of thousands of links and many days of research. But it's all easy to find. You can do it. I think you even tried to, when you found the MSM powerhouse Time article.

This started when you jumped in supporting carmine9's endless post that anything he doesn't like to read must by some wild, conspiratorial lie by the mainstream media propaganda machine. Nobody denies that the mainstream media is not biased about some things, some of the time. Yet, it is not difficult to determine, reading between the lines (sorting the wheat from the chaff, as you say), that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a bogus endeavor, a colossal failure that no one expected, run by incompetent leaders with incompetent soldiers, the Moskva is sunk, Russian generals are dead, Russian tanks blow up, and this Russian invasion has destroyed the lives of millions of innocent Ukrainians. I think you could even determine all that from Russian media, if you knew how to sort wheat from chaff.

Lollys Master wrote:

Clockwork Agent Orange wrote:

Link:www.smh.com.au/world/europe/no-longer-...

Businesses leaving Russia in droves, leaving mass unemployment and eventually grinding Russia to a halt. No new cars or car parts.

Russia should simply keep all the equipment and gift it to local businesses to use it for own restaurants. Don't wanna do business? Goodbye then. Kick ALL the trash like McDonalds and Coke out, before they even contemplate on leaving.

While Russia is decades behind in certain technological aspects, it is for their own good that Western companies leave. This way they have to figure out how to make all the stuff themselves and catch up.

The next 10 years are gonna be tough for Russia, but it certainly will lead to a renaissance of science and technological advancement, as there will be no other choice. Working with China and Saudi Arabia will create a new multipolar world order, where the US is not a center anymore.

Putin needs to be tougher and focus less on Ukraine and more on reforming Russia to a true world power, that doesn't care what the US says or does, just like China.