Y’all have completely strayed from the point. Let’s focus on Lia.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
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Y’all have completely strayed from the point. Let’s focus on Lia.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
Define "other males like Lia."
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
Y’all have completely strayed from the point. Let’s focus on Lia.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
bathrooms and locker rooms are meant for people to use the bathroom and change. Not sure why you bring up sexual assault survivors. If Lia is using the bathroom and changing I don’t see what the big deal is.
Look, I don’t agree with transgenderism, but this seems like a big nonissue. Lia is changing in the bathroom and that’s it. She isn’t provoking anyone at all, nor is she threatening anyone.
If you actually read the article, or even have the comprehension to understand the headline you will see that the quote marks are: exposed ‘male genitalia’ rather than ‘exposed male genitalia’. This means that Lia simply changes, as everyone does, rather than purposely exposing herself.
So it takes some understanding to realize how much of a nonissue this is. Again, it’s someone changing their clothes. Nothing more.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
bathrooms and locker rooms are meant for people to use the bathroom and change. Not sure why you bring up sexual assault survivors. If Lia is using the bathroom and changing I don’t see what the big deal is.
Look, I don’t agree with transgenderism, but this seems like a big nonissue. Lia is changing in the bathroom and that’s it. She isn’t provoking anyone at all, nor is she threatening anyone.
If you actually read the article, or even have the comprehension to understand the headline you will see that the quote marks are: exposed ‘male genitalia’ rather than ‘exposed male genitalia’. This means that Lia simply changes, as everyone does, rather than purposely exposing herself.
So it takes some understanding to realize how much of a nonissue this is. Again, it’s someone changing their clothes. Nothing more.
Gaines talks about it like they were exposed to a poisonous gas or a dangerous virus because a person with a penis happened to be changing clothes in their line of sight when they turned around. Strange that she expects her consent to be required for transwomen to use the women’s locker rooms. Much ado about nothing indeed.
"We were not forewarned beforehand that we would be sharing a locker room with Lia. We did not give our consent, they did not ask for our consent, but in that locker room we turned around, and there’s a 6’4" biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we were exposed to male genitalia"
Online, I found a secret Facebook community of Christian moms of LGBTQ kids. It's a beautiful group with a combined total of more than 2,000 moms now. I found women who would pray with me and for me. I found a group of the least judgmental and loving Christian women I have met. They make me brave. I felt like I was armed with a new understanding of scripture. I had the support of other moms like me, who had been through the same thing I was going through.
Christian moms of LGBTQ kids? is that Homophobic?
More from Kimberley Shappley's account in that 2017 article in Good Housekeeping:
I was raised as a devout, conservative Christian with strong Republican values in the South. It's a place where being different can not only be unforgiving, but unsafe. I was, and am, an active member of our local church. I used to lead a small ministry teaching Bible study, and I didn't support or condone those living the LGBTQ lifestyle. That was just part of the Christian makeup I'd been brought up to believe. I knew I'd instill those same principles in my children.
But all of my beliefs and convictions were brought into question when, at 18 months old, Kai began exhibiting very strong female characteristics.
From the moment my child was born, everything about Kai was geared toward femininity. Kai would pull T-shirts down around [his] waist to make them into skirts. [He] would tie long-sleeved shirts around [his] head and pretend like it was long hair.
I tried so hard to force Kai into wearing clothes with camouflage and superhero patterns, and I even gave [him] severe, flat-top haircuts.
Shortly after Kai turned 2, friends and family were starting to notice [his] behavior. Living in Pearland, Texas, that meant we were getting a lot of sidelong glances and questions. Kai would only play with girls and girls' toys. Kai said boys were "gross." Family members were flat-out asking me if this kid was gay. It made me nervous, and I was constantly worried about what people would think of me, of us and of my parenting.
By the time Kai was 3 1/2 years old... [Kai] was verbalizing that he was a girl at least six times a day.
Well, duh. If a small boy is constantly told by his extremely sexist, homophobic and apparently controlling mother that all the playthings and clothes he likes - and many of the personality traits he displays - are "girly" and "for girls" only, then chances are that he's eventually going to conclude that he himself must really be a girl.
It's also very likely that he'll start telling his mum and the other adults in his life who have power over him that he's a girl too because that's the only way he can figure that he might have a chance of being allowed to play with the toys he likes, socialize with the kids he likes and wear the clothes and hairstyles he likes.
In the case of Kai specifically, the unfortunate child most likely concluded that if he started saying he's a girl and really stuck to his guns about it, then maybe the painful shaming, beatings, yelling, time outs and punishments he'd been getting on the daily at the hands of his mother for being the wrong sort of boy would finally stop too. Which apparently they did.
Indeed, Kai's status changed enormously: he went from being the bad little boy his mother was ashamed of and said was bound for hell to being the wondrous, angelic, golden "trans girl" his mother was proud of - so proud that she'd make a point of constantly trotting out and flaunting her "special child" on social media and in public like a proverbial show pony.
What's more, once she had a "trans daughter" to show off, Kim Shappley's own life and identity changed in ways that markedly improved her earthly existence and made her days a lot more interesting, lively and more lucrative.
As she transitioned Kai from her embarrassingly "girly" son who might possibly turn out to be gay when grown up - the horror! the horror! - into her beloved pretend daughter whom she could pass off not just as a conventionally "feminine" stereotypical "girly girl," but hopefully as her apparently heterosexual daughter too, Kim Shappley was magically transformed as well. She went from being a nobody church-going conservative Christian bible thumper quick to condemn gay people to eternal hellfire and damnation to suddenly being an apparently broad-minded, progressive, liberal magnanimous champion of the "the LGBTQ" who was now a minor celebrity giving media interviews and hired to do speaking gigs too.
Also, soon after turning her troublesome son Kai into her celebrated "trans daughter," Kim Shappley immediately got head shots of the kid taken, started shopping Kai's photos and reels around, and finally signed up Kai with talent agencies so that Kai could get acting and modeling gigs. Ker-ching, ker-ching.
One can concoct any number of arbitrary intents to explain someone else’s behavior but at the end of the day, all that matters is what people say they want for themselves and their family. Everything else is blather.
Rather rich to interpret this as homophobic but embracing of trans: “I didn't support or condone those living the LGBTQ lifestyle”.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
Define "other males like Lia."
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
Why should anyone be conducting inspections at the entrance to women's loos and locker rooms? There's never been a need for that before.
Everyone who has been toilet trained and watched male and female dogs take leaks knows that male and female urinary anatomy is entirely different. Even little kids get why only men's rooms have urinals, why women's rooms only have toilets - and why girls and women need more privacy barriers when peeing in communal toilets than males do.
By middle school, most kids have also twigged to why there are special sanitary bins in the women's toilets, but not in the men's.
By middle school, most kids have further grasped that whereas for men and boys, toilets outside the home are mainly for peeing and pooping (and nowadays unfortunately for watching porn and "rubbing one out"), girls and women have additional bodily processes beyond urinating and defecating that we need to tend to in toilets outside the home either regularly or at least occasionally. Such as menstruation, pregnancy vomiting, lactation, menopausal flooding, miscarriage, and cleaning ourselves and our clothing up after leaks of blood from our vaginas and milk from our breasts.
When we are outside our homes, most girls and women don't want to have to tend to these sorts of intimate bodily matters in the presence of random men and older boys who are strangers to us, or who are our school mates, team mates, work colleagues, neighbors, clients or customers, either.
Moreover, with the very rare exception of some pre-pubescent male persons born without penises, and perhaps some pre-pubescent females born with "virilized" genitals due to CAH, pretty much everyone who has been through toilet training and reached first grade or so knows full well with certainty what their sex is and which toilets, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, hospital wards are appropriate for them and others of their sex.
I honestly don't get why boys age 8 and up and grown men nowadays can't do as guys in the past did - and most blokes today continue to do without any issue. Which is simply to accept that girls' and women's loos and locker rooms are not designed or meant for them. Just as most girls and women have always accepted that boys' and men's loos and locker rooms aren't for us.
A fallacy being spread today is that "inclusion" means that it's bigoted, wrong and unfairly discriminatory to bar anyone - particularly males - from going into any space they want to go into, even if it's a space specifically designed and designated for females that the vast majority of females don't want older male children and adult males barging in on.
But in fact, true inclusion and fair play for all means there's a space for everyone, not that everyone has access to every space.
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So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
Define "other males like Lia."
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
When we get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, we all know which side of the road to drive on and nearly all of us manage to keep to the correct side without being told constantly to "stay in your lane" by law enforcement officers. We don't need police offers riding shotgun, sitting in the backseat, or blowing whistles, holding up signs, and shouting and gesturing at us from the outside in order for us to follow the basic traffic laws and social conventions we picked up by osmosis growing up long before we took a driver's ed course and got our licenses.
When we're behind the wheel of a car or truck, none of us needs constant reminding to remain on the road instead of jumping the curb and riding roughshod all over the sidewalks, lawns, parks, playgrounds, fields - and plowing down pedestrians, prams, pets, cyclists, street vendors, skateboarders, roller bladers, strollers and joggers in the process.
What on earth has happened to civilized society - and to the male population of the Western world - that has left guys like HobbyJogger convinced that the only possible way to keep males like Lia Thomas, Darren Meragher and Rachel Glines from entering women's locker rooms and loos, exposing their naked male bodies and dicks to the women and girls there, and eyeballing and ogling the bodies of the women and girls in states of undress there as well, is to place security guards at each entrance and have those guards conduct physical inspections - and examinations of the motives - of everyone wanting in?
Why can't the adult, adolescent and pre-teen males of our species simply be trusted to behave like decent human beings and just keep out of female spaces like generations of men and older boys did before?
In 2023, is expecting male Homo sapiens in the so-called "civilized world" to hew to basic tenets of safeguarding and show a modicum of respect for girls and women really too much to ask?
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Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
Why should anyone be conducting inspections at the entrance to women's loos and locker rooms? There's never been a need for that before.
Everyone who has been toilet trained and watched male and female dogs take leaks knows that male and female urinary anatomy is entirely different. Even little kids get why only men's rooms have urinals, why women's rooms only have toilets - and why girls and women need more privacy barriers when peeing in communal toilets than males do.
By middle school, most kids have also twigged to why there are special sanitary bins in the women's toilets, but not in the men's.
By middle school, most kids have further grasped that whereas for men and boys, toilets outside the home are mainly for peeing and pooping (and nowadays unfortunately for watching porn and "rubbing one out"), girls and women have additional bodily processes beyond urinating and defecating that we need to tend to in toilets outside the home either regularly or at least occasionally. Such as menstruation, pregnancy vomiting, lactation, menopausal flooding, miscarriage, and cleaning ourselves and our clothing up after leaks of blood from our vaginas and milk from our breasts.
When we are outside our homes, most girls and women don't want to have to tend to these sorts of intimate bodily matters in the presence of random men and older boys who are strangers to us, or who are our school mates, team mates, work colleagues, neighbors, clients or customers, either.
Moreover, with the very rare exception of some pre-pubescent male persons born without penises, and perhaps some pre-pubescent females born with "virilized" genitals due to CAH, pretty much everyone who has been through toilet training and reached first grade or so knows full well with certainty what their sex is and which toilets, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, hospital wards are appropriate for them and others of their sex.
I honestly don't get why boys age 8 and up and grown men nowadays can't do as guys in the past did - and most blokes today continue to do without any issue. Which is simply to accept that girls' and women's loos and locker rooms are not designed or meant for them. Just as most girls and women have always accepted that boys' and men's loos and locker rooms aren't for us.
A fallacy being spread today is that "inclusion" means that it's bigoted, wrong and unfairly discriminatory to bar anyone - particularly males - from going into any space they want to go into, even if it's a space specifically designed and designated for females that the vast majority of females don't want older male children and adult males barging in on.
But in fact, true inclusion and fair play for all means there's a space for everyone, not that everyone has access to every space.
This is all such pointless idiocy about a non-problem. It has not been illegal anywhere for a (cis) man to use a women’s public bathroom or vice versa, but just a social etiquette that has worked just fine with self selection since the dawn of public bathrooms, so there is no good reason now to make law barring anyone from using the bathroom of their choice, and there would be no meaning to such an idiotic law without an enforcement or post-hoc verification mechanism, either of which would be more intrusive and expensive than women having to share bathrooms with transwomen who feel more comfortable using them.
If anyone’s seriously worried about gawking perverts abusing bathroom etiquette, that’s always been both legal and a non-problem.
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
Why should anyone be conducting inspections at the entrance to women's loos and locker rooms? There's never been a need for that before.
Everyone who has been toilet trained and watched male and female dogs take leaks knows that male and female urinary anatomy is entirely different. Even little kids get why only men's rooms have urinals, why women's rooms only have toilets - and why girls and women need more privacy barriers when peeing in communal toilets than males do.
By middle school, most kids have also twigged to why there are special sanitary bins in the women's toilets, but not in the men's.
By middle school, most kids have further grasped that whereas for men and boys, toilets outside the home are mainly for peeing and pooping (and nowadays unfortunately for watching porn and "rubbing one out"), girls and women have additional bodily processes beyond urinating and defecating that we need to tend to in toilets outside the home either regularly or at least occasionally. Such as menstruation, pregnancy vomiting, lactation, menopausal flooding, miscarriage, and cleaning ourselves and our clothing up after leaks of blood from our vaginas and milk from our breasts.
When we are outside our homes, most girls and women don't want to have to tend to these sorts of intimate bodily matters in the presence of random men and older boys who are strangers to us, or who are our school mates, team mates, work colleagues, neighbors, clients or customers, either.
Moreover, with the very rare exception of some pre-pubescent male persons born without penises, and perhaps some pre-pubescent females born with "virilized" genitals due to CAH, pretty much everyone who has been through toilet training and reached first grade or so knows full well with certainty what their sex is and which toilets, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, hospital wards are appropriate for them and others of their sex.
I honestly don't get why boys age 8 and up and grown men nowadays can't do as guys in the past did - and most blokes today continue to do without any issue. Which is simply to accept that girls' and women's loos and locker rooms are not designed or meant for them. Just as most girls and women have always accepted that boys' and men's loos and locker rooms aren't for us.
A fallacy being spread today is that "inclusion" means that it's bigoted, wrong and unfairly discriminatory to bar anyone - particularly males - from going into any space they want to go into, even if it's a space specifically designed and designated for females that the vast majority of females don't want older male children and adult males barging in on.
But in fact, true inclusion and fair play for all means there's a space for everyone, not that everyone has access to every space.
You girls are weird. I could not care less if there is a biological female in the men's room. I just don't care. Heck, if they want to strattke the urinal and try to use it more power to them.
Why can't the adult, adolescent and pre-teen males of our species simply be trusted to behave like decent human beings and just keep out of female spaces like generations of men and older boys did before?
In 2023, is expecting male Homo sapiens in the so-called "civilized world" to hew to basic tenets of safeguarding and show a modicum of respect for girls and women really too much to ask?
Y’all have completely strayed from the point. Let’s focus on Lia.
So back to Lia: do you think Lia and other males like Lia should be using women's locker rooms, ladies' loos and other spaces designed and meant for females like rape refuges and what used to be known as "battered women' shelters"?
Lia should be allowed to swing her dick in the locker room. Of course. Right in front of the ladies. Relax ladies.
HE hadn't had surgery, meaning he still had testicles, which is the male organ and they allowed HIM into the female restroom and to compete?
Transgender Female competitors at minimum to make an argument of inclusion should demonstrate "effort" with at least completing the surgery and having testosterone in proper guidelines equal to female competitors... in my opinion, this was a man who is a cross dresser. Which is to say a man who likes to dress as a woman but is still a man!
Reality... MEN SHOULD NOT BE COMPETING WITH WOMEN.
Reality... This is not a Caster Semenya "Intersex" argument, at least intersex "i" have an argument as biological females with ambiguous genitilia which is 1-organ. This is wrong on so many levels.
this is clearly a male with male anatomy. I feel horrified for those young ladies. He still had testicles~!
For a minute I thought testicles was the female organ. Thank you 🤛
HE hadn't had surgery, meaning he still had testicles, which is the male organ and they allowed HIM into the female restroom and to compete?
Transgender Female competitors at minimum to make an argument of inclusion should demonstrate "effort" with at least completing the surgery and having testosterone in proper guidelines equal to female competitors... in my opinion, this was a man who is a cross dresser. Which is to say a man who likes to dress as a woman but is still a man!
Reality... MEN SHOULD NOT BE COMPETING WITH WOMEN.
Reality... This is not a Caster Semenya "Intersex" argument, at least intersex "i" have an argument as biological females with ambiguous genitilia which is 1-organ. This is wrong on so many levels.
this is clearly a male with male anatomy. I feel horrified for those young ladies. He still had testicles~!
For a minute I thought testicles was the female organ. Thank you 🤛
If testicles “is the” male organ, what are a penis?
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
Why should anyone be conducting inspections at the entrance to women's loos and locker rooms? There's never been a need for that before.
Everyone who has been toilet trained and watched male and female dogs take leaks knows that male and female urinary anatomy is entirely different. Even little kids get why only men's rooms have urinals, why women's rooms only have toilets - and why girls and women need more privacy barriers when peeing in communal toilets than males do.
By middle school, most kids have also twigged to why there are special sanitary bins in the women's toilets, but not in the men's.
By middle school, most kids have further grasped that whereas for men and boys, toilets outside the home are mainly for peeing and pooping (and nowadays unfortunately for watching porn and "rubbing one out"), girls and women have additional bodily processes beyond urinating and defecating that we need to tend to in toilets outside the home either regularly or at least occasionally. Such as menstruation, pregnancy vomiting, lactation, menopausal flooding, miscarriage, and cleaning ourselves and our clothing up after leaks of blood from our vaginas and milk from our breasts.
When we are outside our homes, most girls and women don't want to have to tend to these sorts of intimate bodily matters in the presence of random men and older boys who are strangers to us, or who are our school mates, team mates, work colleagues, neighbors, clients or customers, either.
Moreover, with the very rare exception of some pre-pubescent male persons born without penises, and perhaps some pre-pubescent females born with "virilized" genitals due to CAH, pretty much everyone who has been through toilet training and reached first grade or so knows full well with certainty what their sex is and which toilets, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, hospital wards are appropriate for them and others of their sex.
I honestly don't get why boys age 8 and up and grown men nowadays can't do as guys in the past did - and most blokes today continue to do without any issue. Which is simply to accept that girls' and women's loos and locker rooms are not designed or meant for them. Just as most girls and women have always accepted that boys' and men's loos and locker rooms aren't for us.
A fallacy being spread today is that "inclusion" means that it's bigoted, wrong and unfairly discriminatory to bar anyone - particularly males - from going into any space they want to go into, even if it's a space specifically designed and designated for females that the vast majority of females don't want older male children and adult males barging in on.
But in fact, true inclusion and fair play for all means there's a space for everyone, not that everyone has access to every space.
In other words, you have no explanation for:
-- what you mean by "men like Lia."
-- why post op trans women should not use women's locker rooms.
-- how "restroom policy" can be enforced.
Thanks for a very lengthy, self-contradictory and totally meaningless non answer.
Is it okay for a post op trans person to use women's locker room? Like that YMCA story above? If that's still not okay, why is that?
And how do you enforce "bathroom policy"? What kind of inspection do you conduct at the entrance?
When we get behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, we all know which side of the road to drive on and nearly all of us manage to keep to the correct side without being told constantly to "stay in your lane" by law enforcement officers. We don't need police offers riding shotgun, sitting in the backseat, or blowing whistles, holding up signs, and shouting and gesturing at us from the outside in order for us to follow the basic traffic laws and social conventions we picked up by osmosis growing up long before we took a driver's ed course and got our licenses.
When we're behind the wheel of a car or truck, none of us needs constant reminding to remain on the road instead of jumping the curb and riding roughshod all over the sidewalks, lawns, parks, playgrounds, fields - and plowing down pedestrians, prams, pets, cyclists, street vendors, skateboarders, roller bladers, strollers and joggers in the process.
What on earth has happened to civilized society - and to the male population of the Western world - that has left guys like HobbyJogger convinced that the only possible way to keep males like Lia Thomas, Darren Meragher and Rachel Glines from entering women's locker rooms and loos, exposing their naked male bodies and dicks to the women and girls there, and eyeballing and ogling the bodies of the women and girls in states of undress there as well, is to place security guards at each entrance and have those guards conduct physical inspections - and examinations of the motives - of everyone wanting in?
Why can't the adult, adolescent and pre-teen males of our species simply be trusted to behave like decent human beings and just keep out of female spaces like generations of men and older boys did before?
In 2023, is expecting male Homo sapiens in the so-called "civilized world" to hew to basic tenets of safeguarding and show a modicum of respect for girls and women really too much to ask?
congrats This is probably the worst analogy for being transgender that I have ever read.
Why should anyone be conducting inspections at the entrance to women's loos and locker rooms? There's never been a need for that before.
Everyone who has been toilet trained and watched male and female dogs take leaks knows that male and female urinary anatomy is entirely different. Even little kids get why only men's rooms have urinals, why women's rooms only have toilets - and why girls and women need more privacy barriers when peeing in communal toilets than males do.
By middle school, most kids have also twigged to why there are special sanitary bins in the women's toilets, but not in the men's.
By middle school, most kids have further grasped that whereas for men and boys, toilets outside the home are mainly for peeing and pooping (and nowadays unfortunately for watching porn and "rubbing one out"), girls and women have additional bodily processes beyond urinating and defecating that we need to tend to in toilets outside the home either regularly or at least occasionally. Such as menstruation, pregnancy vomiting, lactation, menopausal flooding, miscarriage, and cleaning ourselves and our clothing up after leaks of blood from our vaginas and milk from our breasts.
When we are outside our homes, most girls and women don't want to have to tend to these sorts of intimate bodily matters in the presence of random men and older boys who are strangers to us, or who are our school mates, team mates, work colleagues, neighbors, clients or customers, either.
Moreover, with the very rare exception of some pre-pubescent male persons born without penises, and perhaps some pre-pubescent females born with "virilized" genitals due to CAH, pretty much everyone who has been through toilet training and reached first grade or so knows full well with certainty what their sex is and which toilets, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, hospital wards are appropriate for them and others of their sex.
I honestly don't get why boys age 8 and up and grown men nowadays can't do as guys in the past did - and most blokes today continue to do without any issue. Which is simply to accept that girls' and women's loos and locker rooms are not designed or meant for them. Just as most girls and women have always accepted that boys' and men's loos and locker rooms aren't for us.
A fallacy being spread today is that "inclusion" means that it's bigoted, wrong and unfairly discriminatory to bar anyone - particularly males - from going into any space they want to go into, even if it's a space specifically designed and designated for females that the vast majority of females don't want older male children and adult males barging in on.
But in fact, true inclusion and fair play for all means there's a space for everyone, not that everyone has access to every space.
You girls are weird. I could not care less if there is a biological female in the men's room. I just don't care. Heck, if they want to strattke the urinal and try to use it more power to them.
In spite of her repeated assertion to the contrary, RunRagged does not speak for half of the humanity. In fact, her opinions are of minority among women.
In terms of policies governing public restrooms, do you think these policies should -- [ROTATED: require transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with their birth gender (or should these policies) allow transgender individuals to use the restroom that corresponds with their gender identity]?
Americans are about evenly divided on both the need for new civil rights laws to protect LGBT people and on restroom policies for transgender individuals.
Most women have probably shared public restrooms with trans women multiple times without even knowing it, and nothing happened to them. On the other hand, I am not sure how many women other than RunRagged are comfortable with someone like this in their women's restroom.
