Alberto Salazar BANNED For Life for "Sexual Misconduct"

In the end Cain may have actually maxed out her potential by the age of 19. She accomplished quite a bit amid all of the chaos. I wish she wasn't going the lawsuit route, but I think a quiet settlement is the most likely outcome. Alexa E is still trying to get back to her age 18 self despite having been more effectively supported, so greatness on the world scene for Mary was never certain anyway.

stan the corgi wrote:

Unfortunate and the fact that the details are confidential lends one just to speculate. I have a feeling that Sal must have alienated a lot of people along the way.

Or one or perhaps a few people.

WE know nothing

You are conflating Mary Cain's activities in the press with the possibility that she is a claimant in the SS case.

She may be an SS claimant in addition to her civil suit against Salazar. She may not be

In any case, her public charges may have had absolutely no bearing on the SS case. There's no way to know unless she clarifies that publicly.

He coached other women prior to his NOP years.

This is ridiculous. He's not a sexual predator. This "WOKE" generation is unbelievable. Can't believe this verdict.

OozmaKappa wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

you don't have to be a fan of Salazar to realize the implications of equating comments about an athlete's weight to sexual harassment.

So calling a fat girl fat is now considered sexual harrassment? Is that what this is about?

And all this time I thought it was racist. Hmm.

xmmc wrote:

Have you read their bylaws? Safesport’s process is a bit sketchy for an organization of their standing.

-Someone comes to them with a complaint.

-They make a ruling.

-In non-criminal cases such as this, if the accused disagrees, they can pay out of their pocket for arbitrage. No funds? Process ends.

-There is no cross-examination.

-Witness doesn’t have to appear

-Everything is via video.

This is shameful.

No cross examination of witnesses? I can see perhaps if the witness is a minor but otherwise this seems nuts.

Trust the secret tribunal is not something I want to have much power in the US.

I’m sure the Chinese say their tribunals have due process too.

Safe sport should protect minors .that’s what it was created for but most Olympic athletes aren’t minors. And a ton of high school athletes aren’t in Olympic sports.

lol secret tribunals and the Chinese. God people are stupid

Ihatejoe wrote:

In the end Cain may have actually maxed out her potential by the age of 19. She accomplished quite a bit amid all of the chaos. I wish she wasn't going the lawsuit route, but I think a quiet settlement is the most likely outcome. Alexa E is still trying to get back to her age 18 self despite having been more effectively supported, so greatness on the world scene for Mary was never certain anyway.

She may end up being the richest American runner of all time however.

Good for her

Mary Cain had the potential to run low 3:50s and 1:55-56, as Salazar indicated, but she didn't have the obsessive drive to do whatever it took, and was a terrible, terrible match with Salazar. She was doing fine with, I think, John Henwood at NYAC conducting her workouts while Salazar was coaching her from a distance before she left for Oregon. Plenty of coaches would have done well for her and not burned her out early.

AlohaState wrote:

The CEO of SafeSport is totally unqualified.

https://uscenterforsafesport.org/about-the-ceo/

I don't see that at all. The CEO was previously in a similar sort of position with Boy Scouts of America and a previous organization.

People are still posting that video of the woman stopped from running the New York marathon.

But treated like a professional male athlete some can't take it

If you can't stand the heat get back in the kitchen

zxcvzxvc wrote:

I don't see that at all. The CEO was previously in a similar sort of position with Boy Scouts of America and a previous organization.

There is a BIG difference between the Boy Scout team leaders all having sex with underaged boys on their teams vs Salazar calling Mary Cain fat. When all the experience the SafeSport CEO has is with child sex abuse, then everything she sees no matter what it is becomes child sex abuse. What happened with Salazar's case is that he SafeSport CEO defined "sexual misconduct" as being anything, not even sex related, that is why she is wholly unqualified.

Was he convicted in a court of law? No, so he is as innocent as you or I ---- and he

should sue them for defamation of character.

Ghost of Igloi wrote:

Mary Cain is an equally tragic figure. It is over athletically, someone is to blame, and they are going to pay for it, figuratively and literally. The negativity will continue to infect her psyche. Needs to move on.

It's time for Mary to ask that this be undone to Alberto. Time to forgive and forget for both of them.

Finnished at 344 wrote:

"breasts and bottom were too big," are considered sexual harassment and Salazar is purported to have commented on these specific parts of Cain's anatomy.

https://www.insider.com/runner-mary-cain-nike-lawsuit-salazar-weight-shaming-abuse-2021-10

Yes. I think this is probably what got him banned. And, as Rojo helpfully noted by quoting from p. 9 of the relevant regulations, simply talking like that in an effort to motivate and inspire the female athlete in question to modify her behavior in a direction that the coach adjudges necessary for the athlete's future development and best racing, can, at this moment in history, be construed as "sexual misconduct."

The problem is that every other form of stipulated sexual misconduct is grounded in desire: wanting to possess and use somebody in a sexual way, or actually possessing and using them in a sexual way. I get that to speak in the way AS spoke to MC would, in almost any other workplace one can imagine, be actionably improper. But the training of athletes is, or has always been, somewhat different, because the athlete's body--not just its actual performance, but its appearance as that closely correlates with its actual performance--is the whole point. So there HAS to be somewhat more latitude in the way that the coach speaks to the athlete about the athlete's body.

You can be da**ed sure that Ed Ogeron and many other football coaches talk in a no-holds-barred way to their athletes about their bodies. If a guy shows up at training camp and he's overweight, you KNOW that coaches are talking about that in colorful ways.

But the moment you get a male coach talking to a female athlete about her body in a colorful way--and specifically a way designed to achieve a mutually agreed upon end of superior performance--there's a problem. And that seems like a problem to me: that difference. To label that colorful talk "sexual misconduct" in the case of a male coach and his female athlete, when you wouldn't label it that way in the case of a male coach and a male athlete, is wrong, IMHO.

If Salazar misbehaved in some other way, if he pushed for sexual favors--I'd toss him off the boat in a minute. I'm not an AlSal fanboy. But I'm also not inclined to condemn him in this way, to deprive him of his livelihood, because he pushed an athlete too hard in a way that he sincerely believed was justified in order to achieve--again--A MUTUALLY AGREED UPON GOAL of superior performance. He may well have been mistaken about her body: about her voluptuity (as it were) foreclosing superior performances. He may have made a professional misjusdgment. That's an entirely different issue. But he's entitled, as the hard-driving professional he was, to do what he does. If those two athletes decideds that his methods weren't worth their psychic cost, they should have severed the professional relationship.

I guess the decision is un-appealable. That's a shame. But I certainly hope Salazar will tell his side of the story.

And again: everything I'm saying is subject to revision if it turns out that something more legitimately resembling sexual misconduct actually took place.

AW Red and White wrote:

He coached other women prior to his NOP years.

Ooh that made me feel really sick