Nikki Hiltz comes out as transgender/non-binary

No, Semenya is not a "real woman." Semenya is an XY male with a male-only DSD condition, XY 5-ARD2, which caused Semenya to be born with atypical urogenital anatomy for a male.

Semenya produces normal amounts of testosterone for a healthy male. Semenya does this because Semenya has testes.

Biker vs. Cyclist:

A few years ago, a group of us pulled in at a gas station while out on a training ride. The 70 year d lady behind the counter asked how long we have been “bikers.”

It was very embarrassing when one of us bikers scolded the 70 year old. Angrily he corrected that we are “cyclists” and not bikers.

here is this lady who is applauding the group of riders and this moron is embarrassing the entire group.

Her response was the best: what do you expect, as I am just an old broad guy

And if a Letsrun poster decides that subtlety does not exist, and that any hypothetical they can come up with is a perfectly analogous, are we to entertain that delusion as well?

This is such a dramatic post lol

If the Olympic committee looks at it as a performance enhancing drug, it is fair to keep her out. Was she taking hormones to become a man?

There are tons of reasons to keep children away from strangers, especially men who are posing as women.

A transgender woman is still a man, and men do wicked things.

The "agency to decide how others refer to you" is not individual, it's based on social convention. That's why women who don't take their husbands' names are frequently called Mrs. Husband'sName. Efforts to change this convention have been met with mistakes and resistance.

Though many consider it rude to intentionally refuse to use a married or unmarried woman's name, most would never mandate using one's preferred name because it is illiberal/authoritarian to do so.

People like Nikki are attempting to forcefully change a social convention through authoritarian means both hard (workplace rules against misgendering; hate speech laws in other countries) and soft (shaming and emotional extortion). In English, we use sex-based pronouns. Activists are twisting history by claiming that pronouns have always been about gender (sex was really gender all along, a queer theory assertion) and that all of us get to choose our gender/sex. So, there is an effort to replace sex-based pronouns with gender-based pronouns, all the while gaslighting people by insisting that it has always been this way, and the effort to impose a different reality on the public through the patently false assertion that sex is not real and obvious to the non-expert eye.

In this absurd situation, everybody is supposed to simultaneously applaud the women's national champion and refrain from calling her a woman. We can call this a double bind, Kafkaesque, a Catch-22, whatever. It all points to the diabolical nature of this ideology; it incites the worst behavior in human beings because it caters to unbridled groupthink, narcissism, manipulation, and violence (enacted on healthy bodies). And in the final narcissistic reversal, those who won't comply have that very narcissim projected onto them. It's not the people demanding bespoke pronouns and self-proclaimed sex who are selfish, it's you who "weaponizes truth" to hide your own bigotry.

Why are you so mad? it's a word change. Calling her they instead of she won't hurt you. If you refuse to call them by their preferred pronouns, that's fine. It just shows you don't respect them.

It's important to remember there hasn't been any cheating here. Hiltz doesn't have any biological advantage over the other competitors.

Got a uterus, you are a woman, got testicles, you are a man. Simple.

It is not a respect issue, it's a reality issue as well as respect for my decision not to call you by invented and mis-leading pronouns. The English language is very clear: he and she are singular and they and them are many. One person is not a "many"

Mostly correct except want to clarify that Semenya did not produce ‘normal amounts of testosterone for a healthy male’; her testosterone levels were about 3x a normal woman’s but still drastically lower than a normal male’s, which can be as high as 40x a normal woman’s.

Using this logic, we should keep children away from all men.

Again you guys can’t stop talking about biological advantage. If Nikki transitioned to male, they would compete against males. There is zero need to entertain the “advantage” talk.

Good old Robert, pulling this old piece of crap thread out of the ether to invite even more antitrans hate on letsrun, the absolute worst discussion board on running their is. Screw

Editor's not on 7/1/2024- This 3-year-old thread is getting a lot of clicks as lots of people are googling Nikki Hiltz after NBC published an article "Transgender runner Nikki Hiltz is headed to the Paris Olympics" on her making the Olympic team. The article did not explain that Hiltz's is a biological female. Hiltz also is also not on testosterone as World Athletics forbids that.

Look at their "updated" note.

I don't understand the vitriol towards Hiltz. This is a person competing in the category appropriate to their biological sex, so no issues there.

And, I'll be the first to say I am an old guy and don't understand all the new (to me) LTBTQ+ categorizations. But, why would I want to do anything other than call someone by whatever they would like to be called? Seems to me to just be a polite thing to do.

Yeah, mandates seem a little heavy handed, but all they are doing is pushing us towards doing the right thing. They wouldn't be needed if we all were just a bit more polite.

But, to those in the community, it is also polite to expect that after 60 years of using gendered pronouns, I am probably going to unintentionally get it wrong from time to time. Just gently correct me and we can all move on, and over time my mistakes will become fewer.