Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Harambe wrote:
https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/1328045594099724289yeah, sure, buddy
Try comparing Sweden and France or Belgium and then get back to me; cherry picking moron.
The comparison was material because of the quote Tegnell made.
Did you read the 30 words in the tweet?
Apparently not.
Even Sweden itself is walking back their strategy and you are still clinging to it. You should fly there and let them know the mistake they're making!!!1
Harambe wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Try comparing Sweden and France or Belgium and then get back to me; cherry picking moron.
The comparison was material because of the quote Tegnell made.
Did you read the 30 words in the tweet?
Apparently not.
Even Sweden itself is walking back their strategy and you are still clinging to it. You should fly there and let them know the mistake they're making!!!1
A tweet comparing cases in Finland and Sweden? Who cares? The two countries are entirely different and Finland's did not lock down as hard as most places anyway; it is almost more proof that you are wrong about almost everything. Just because Swedish officials are now succumbing to political pressure does not change the fact that their second wave of deaths is a small bump while France and Belgium and many other nations are again seeing mass death. In the least Sweden proves that doing little did at least the same, if not better, than the unsubstantiated mass lockdowns....they did not work and there is no evidence still to support them again....just political peer pressure from nutjobs like yourself who have more power than you.
Two Scandinavian countries are entirely different. O.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_Nordic_countries
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
zxczxcv wrote:
Two Scandinavian countries are entirely different. O.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_Nordic_countries
I am not even sure how this link to list of basic nordic nation stats proves anything other than Sweden is the largest of all of them. You do not even explain how this helps your argument.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, using one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Sweden is sucking hind teat. They have seen spikes and are regretting their former hubris
Sweden stages coronavirus U-turn, banning public events with more than eight people
Last Updated: Nov. 17, 2020 at 1:06 p.m. ET
First Published: Nov. 16, 2020 at 3:36 p.m. ET
They have become a disaster.
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, usuing one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
I'll give you that the first part of that statement.
I'll also give you that Norway and Denmark saw a (in percent) dramatic spike.
The spike is already flattened in both countries at about 600 per day in Norway and just over a 1000 in Denmark) and have not at any time reached swedish levels in either countries..
Also worth noticing is that the positivity rate in Sweden compared to the two other scandinavian countries is several times higher indicating much more widespread infection in the population.
Sweden is also much worse at testing on a per capita basis.
I could go on and on but it should be enough..
That said, I don't neccecarily agree with people saying that Sweden has failed.
Sweden has done what Sweden has said was their strategy all along: Flatten the curve so that their hospitals wouldn't get overrun.
So far the swedish strategy has been successfull in that regard.,
Where Tegnell has miscalculated is in how fast Sweden would reach her immunity.
(Tegnell seems to be suffering from a large dose on of arrogance on both herd immunity and masks. On the first he has been forced to back track, so far he is refusing to back down on the latter)
I'll also give you that the latest shift in strategy looks to be politically driven indicating a lack of trust in Tegnell & co.
Partly because Tegnell's predictions about herd immunity looks overly optimistic and partly because the infection seems some what more wide spread this time around.
covidaladociuos wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, using one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Sweden is sucking hind teat. They have seen spikes and are regretting their former hubris
Sweden stages coronavirus U-turn, banning public events with more than eight people
Last Updated: Nov. 17, 2020 at 1:06 p.m. ET
First Published: Nov. 16, 2020 at 3:36 p.m. ET
They have become a disaster.
How? The monster spike to 15 deaths per day? No, only a political disaster for all of the leaders who pushed their nations into death and despair with harsh measures.
Thanks. I don't think Norway or teh DK are leveling off though, not yet, but I also don't think they will see a lot of death either, nor will Sweden. All of these nations have been mostly back to life for some time now and I really think this was the better strategy; I think the DK encouraging many things for a few weeks March to April was all that was needed; then getting schools back up and going was important, they did that after Easter. All other nations that kept schools shut for months and months and shut businesses for long terms, some perpetually....these nations failed and likely killed more people than they saved. Clearly locking down did not prevent the millions predicted to be dead, because that never was going to happen, that was the lie that started the whole disaster of 2020.
Harambe wrote:
useful idiots wrote:
Well that's just the thing, you've constructed your own reality by way of some unsubstantiated data and here we are. Going on about 250. 250. 250. Lol. Did you know that no one verifies the CDC? Like you're living in some pretend world created for you and you're so happy rolling around in it. Amazing to learn more about what makes your type tick.
Lol. The covid sham would require millions of doctors and public servants working in concert to cook the books? Guess you really didn't think that through, but that's expected of your type.
How many people do you think were in on the Enron scandal in that case? 10s of thousands?
What? Did Enron have people fixing energy prices in every city in America? You're just babbling random stuff because you have zero data, zero evidence, and are trying to hide your lack of preparation to defend your arguments at all.
The best data we have is from government (state and national) public health offices. They all confirm a BIG increase in excess deaths.
When you're only argument is "the entire government is lying to us and none of the millions of public servants have said anything" then yeah, you're just a desperate conspiracy theorist.
Oh lordy. You get so passionate about spreading your BS.
The best data is from government? Can you say conflict of interest?
So somebody kidnaps you and then you will believe only their reasoning as to why you need to stay kidnapped? Geezus.
When you stop hiding behind your far left created media catchword "conspiracy theorist" then people may take you more seriously. When you provide verifiable data than you may even seem more credible. Until then, you will keep sounding like a annoying, uncouth, low class buffoon.
useful idiots wrote:
Oh lordy. You get so passionate about spreading your BS.
The best data is from government? Can you say conflict of interest?
So somebody kidnaps you and then you will believe only their reasoning as to why you need to stay kidnapped? Geezus.
When you stop hiding behind your far left created media catchword "conspiracy theorist" then people may take you more seriously. When you provide verifiable data than you may even seem more credible. Until then, you will keep sounding like a annoying, uncouth, low class buffoon.
Ok lol. Show me data from any other source that suggests 250k COVID deaths are largely fake.
You can't! All you can say is "I don't believe it" with no evidence otherwise.
People who believe things with no evidence are called "conspiracy theorists." You're making this too easy :)
You have reached peak self humiliation.
Call up the stairs for mom to shut off the wifi router.
Harambe wrote:
useful idiots wrote:
Oh lordy. You get so passionate about spreading your BS.
The best data is from government? Can you say conflict of interest?
So somebody kidnaps you and then you will believe only their reasoning as to why you need to stay kidnapped? Geezus.
When you stop hiding behind your far left created media catchword "conspiracy theorist" then people may take you more seriously. When you provide verifiable data than you may even seem more credible. Until then, you will keep sounding like a annoying, uncouth, low class buffoon.
Ok lol. Show me data from any other source that suggests 250k COVID deaths are largely fake.
You can't! All you can say is "I don't believe it" with no evidence otherwise.
People who believe things with no evidence are called "conspiracy theorists." You're making this too easy :)
Lol. Do I need to provide you evidence? You want me to do your work for you? You're suggesting we must undergo a major change to our lives. I don't think I need to give you anything. What people need is to clearly, undeniably see and understand a need for this change. It's YOU who owes that.
Lol. Go ahead and you use that word if you want to continue to be looked at as an idiot. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use that? Wait, you have no actual evidence either, all you have is govt propaganda. OMG, you must be a consp...
useful idiots wrote:
Lol. Do I need to provide you evidence? You want me to do your work for you? You're suggesting we must undergo a major change to our lives. I don't think I need to give you anything. What people need is to clearly, undeniably see and understand a need for this change. It's YOU who owes that.
Lol. Go ahead and you use that word if you want to continue to be looked at as an idiot. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use that? Wait, you have no actual evidence either, all you have is govt propaganda. OMG, you must be a consp...
So on my side:
250k+ COVID deaths certified by doctors around the country and tabulated by the CDC
250k+ excess deaths that match the spikes in COVID deaths in time and space
On your side:
"I don't believe your numbers but I have no evidence to support this, nor do I intent to look for any. You can't change my mind!"
Yeah, I'm gonna go with conspiracy theorist.
Harambe wrote:
useful idiots wrote:
Lol. Do I need to provide you evidence? You want me to do your work for you? You're suggesting we must undergo a major change to our lives. I don't think I need to give you anything. What people need is to clearly, undeniably see and understand a need for this change. It's YOU who owes that.
Lol. Go ahead and you use that word if you want to continue to be looked at as an idiot. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use that? Wait, you have no actual evidence either, all you have is govt propaganda. OMG, you must be a consp...
So on my side:
250k+ COVID deaths certified by doctors around the country and tabulated by the CDC
250k+ excess deaths that match the spikes in COVID deaths in time and space
On your side:
"I don't believe your numbers but I have no evidence to support this, nor do I intent to look for any. You can't change my mind!"
Yeah, I'm gonna go with conspiracy theorist.
Let me also add the millions of positive COVID tests -- using several biological mechanisms -- that are also correlated with COVID deaths and excess deaths in time and space.
Are we throwing lab techs and nurses into the big government propaganda machine too?
Harambe wrote:
useful idiots wrote:
Lol. Do I need to provide you evidence? You want me to do your work for you? You're suggesting we must undergo a major change to our lives. I don't think I need to give you anything. What people need is to clearly, undeniably see and understand a need for this change. It's YOU who owes that.
Lol. Go ahead and you use that word if you want to continue to be looked at as an idiot. How's anyone supposed to take you seriously when you use that? Wait, you have no actual evidence either, all you have is govt propaganda. OMG, you must be a consp...
So on my side:
250k+ COVID deaths certified by doctors around the country and tabulated by the CDC
250k+ excess deaths that match the spikes in COVID deaths in time and space
On your side:
"I don't believe your numbers but I have no evidence to support this, nor do I intent to look for any. You can't change my mind!"
Yeah, I'm gonna go with conspiracy theorist.
Ahhh, certified by doctors! Ok. Can you give the name of at least 100 of those certifying doctors so I and few others can go and ask them some questions? That should be free and easy to attain info.
I'm sorry not everyone believes in fairy tales that border on religious fanaticism.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with initial gut feeling. Gullible fool. Going on conspiracy theorising gullible fool.
Harambe wrote:
Harambe wrote:
So on my side:
250k+ COVID deaths certified by doctors around the country and tabulated by the CDC
250k+ excess deaths that match the spikes in COVID deaths in time and space
On your side:
"I don't believe your numbers but I have no evidence to support this, nor do I intent to look for any. You can't change my mind!"
Yeah, I'm gonna go with conspiracy theorist.
Let me also add the millions of positive COVID tests -- using several biological mechanisms -- that are also correlated with COVID deaths and excess deaths in time and space.
Are we throwing lab techs and nurses into the big government propaganda machine too?
Only seems like you're just throwing more nonsense into the BS machine.
covidaladociuos wrote:
Lead Foil Hat wrote:
Finland is much more isolated and more of a homogenous population. Sweden has a much larger immigrant and foreign population. I am not sure why this is hard for you to understand. What is the point anyway. Norway and Denmark are seeing similarly massive spikes in cases as compared to Sweden. Why have you, using one of your other IDs, chosen to only focus on the more isolated Finland?
Sweden is sucking hind teat. They have seen spikes and are regretting their former hubris
Sweden stages coronavirus U-turn, banning public events with more than eight people
Last Updated: Nov. 17, 2020 at 1:06 p.m. ET
First Published: Nov. 16, 2020 at 3:36 p.m. ET
They have become a disaster.
Right.
Daily "Covid" deaths have edged into low double figures (10 to 15) the past few weeks.
In a nation of over ten million people. Where, on average, nearly 250 people die per day.
This is a disaster is it?
Harambe wrote:
useful idiots wrote:
Oh lordy. You get so passionate about spreading your BS.
The best data is from government? Can you say conflict of interest?
So somebody kidnaps you and then you will believe only their reasoning as to why you need to stay kidnapped? Geezus.
When you stop hiding behind your far left created media catchword "conspiracy theorist" then people may take you more seriously. When you provide verifiable data than you may even seem more credible. Until then, you will keep sounding like a annoying, uncouth, low class buffoon.
Ok lol. Show me data from any other source that suggests 250k COVID deaths are largely fake.
You can't! All you can say is "I don't believe it" with no evidence otherwise.
People who believe things with no evidence are called "conspiracy theorists." You're making this too easy :)
You have been shown repeatedly that the 25ok number is vastly overstated. For one, it includes people who "indirectly" died with Covid, whatever that means.
Excess deaths are calculated using projections and methodologies and are being calculated by the very same people pushing the whole pandemic fear.
useful idiots wrote:
Ahhh, certified by doctors! Ok. Can you give the name of at least 100 of those certifying doctors so I and few others can go and ask them some questions? That should be free and easy to attain info.
I'm sorry not everyone believes in fairy tales that border on religious fanaticism.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with initial gut feeling. Gullible fool. Going on conspiracy theorising gullible fool.
Another post with no evidence but a new claim: "believing doctors is like believing in fairy tales." You're on a roll today. Reality can be what you make it!!