Breaking: 2017 London Marathon Champ Daniel Wanjiru Busted!!!

kingkimmetto wrote:

Kimetto was the only clean one? Sad if true.

Kimetto is clean thanks for the laugh.

We could get into all of the hematology reports of x number of top WMM, Olympics and yes it would have a variance but the ABP was designed as a parameter achieved through your original bio passport and factors in all of the other bloodwork at the upper limit.

So maybe an athlete came into the season injured, poor nutrition, deficient all while having their testing done. Then the same athlete made changes trained at altitude, took B vitamins, iron, weights, superior nutrition the following season was tested this would then show all raised profiles.

The ABP is supposed to track outside of the norm so for example a hematocrit above 50.

Jonathon, Rojo, or Wejo- I know a lot of the posters immediately go into attack mode against Renato, but since he is registered on your site could you please do an interview with him? For the record I think Renato has developed a lot of great distance runners and I'd enjoy reading about all of this, I don't believe you would have to reach very far to ask some objective questions.

For example: COVID, off site testing, ABP, his athletes supplement program.

And of course asking what he meant by Africans not being responders to EPO...

3 or 4 of these posts with different unregistered names sound like the same person to me. Wish LRC would clean up these boards.

I really admire the fact that a coach with the reputation that Renato has still comes and posts in this cesspool. What he meant by africans not being responders is extremely suspicious as I recall (I don't want to dig for the thread). The gist was that "untrained" individuals by their definition I remember that meaning Japanese athletes running between 31-32 minutes for 10k (may have been 30-31) EPO works and for more developed african athletes that live and train at altitude it does not work as their times did not improve. The problem is who is doing these studies with banned substances and elite athletes? Renato did not give any information on this that I recall and I came away thinking he or his people or someone did these studies on their own with their athletes. No athlete of that level would subject themselves to a possible ban by using substances that supposedly don't work. I can easily be wrong about some of this but the section about the Japanese athletes and the Africans being non responders was definitely posted on these boards. This was a thread that is now at least a few years old if not older. It may have been as far as 2010-11.

Stablemaster:

Was this who you had in mind a few weeks ago regarding an impending sanction?

Kvothe wrote:

I really hope this is something real like epo and not that thing in all the beef.

It’s an ABP case, so that’s EPO, homologous blood transfusions, or both. The “contaminated beef” excuse doesn’t work as well here, maybe he should go for the “disappearing twin” excuse, lol.

If you ain’t doping then you ain’t winning.

Integrity in Athletics? Haven’t seen it around here lately.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

I really hope this is something real like epo and not that thing in all the beef.

It’s an ABP case, so that’s EPO, homologous blood transfusions, or both. The “contaminated beef” excuse doesn’t work as well here, maybe he should go for the “disappearing twin” excuse, lol.

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Only two of those are athletes, three to go please. Also, Marta’s ruling was not overturned by CAS so that’s incorrect. Let’s call it four to go.

Alabama BSS wrote:

Is there anybody on this board who sees a Kenyan win a race and legitimately think they aren’t cheating???

No, absolutely nobody.

The doping apologists who keep defending them (Rekrunner, Spade Detector, Ex-Runner etc.) don't care how doped they are any more than a Formula 1 fan thinks it's wrong if a car has petrol inside of it. And that's a good analogy really, because these athletes aren't humans to them, they're just objects to entertain them and it doesn't matter if they drop dead of a heart attack at 21, or develop health problems later in life. Another smooth limbed ebony stick figure with a 'relaxed, natural stride' will pop up doped to the eyeballs to replace them and keep Spade Detector et al. contributing to the toilet paper shortages.

The idea that Kenyans and Ethiopians are simply naturally much better runners than the rest of the world (aside from, for some mysterious reason, a few North Africans) is such an article of faith for them, then it equally doesn't matter if the majority of the rest of the world plays fair.

They even say it explicitly sometimes - 'Kenyans dope to beat each other'.

The IOC/WA needs to ban Kenya the same as they've banned Russia -- the positives have gotten out of hand, and at this point with major athletes and champions involved, I am suspicious of everyone from Kenya.

Kenyan athletes and KA clearly don't take antidoping rules seriously, they need to be banned until they can prove they have cleaned up their act.

volaregroup wrote:

I think this calls into question many athletes training with Volare Sports. For a relatively small group to have 2 doping busts in the last 4 months (Wilson Kipsang) it isn’t reaching to say that there are likely others under the same management doping.

Any management group with 2 or more busts should be closed down.

PinedaSports - a front for Jama Aden by all accounts - are the worst. Earlier this year they even had one athlete get busted one day, and another young athlete drop dead the next day (you might not have read of it here because Malmo deletes any threads reporting it).

Coevett, even though you're a wild one, I do agree with the management companies/athletes being banned after 2. This would mark the second after Kipsang, Rosas have had more than I can think of off the top of my head.

Get them the f out if they're going to cheat.

1st of all, likely doping doesn't mean doped. So it makes no sense to use them as whatever - they were never sanctioned.

Secondly, you are mentioning some people (as Marta Dominguez) who were more than very likely doping:

-She was accused in a doping scandal -supplying epo, i guess, to ome others sportmen- by the Spanish police, and accused of different felonies -to be clear, she was finally cleared.

-She was linked to Eufemanio Fuentes -admitted doping doctor-.

-*after* all that she was investigated by the IAAF. Spanish federation cleared her.

-She was *eventually* banned from the sport and the Spanish Federation agreed.

It really sucks that this cheater tarnished Bekele's legacy. According to letsrun, Bekele was 8 years into washed up obscurity. In reality, he was the London Marathon champion!

It's so obvious now it's hilarious. How do some magically end up being clean while others are not? Clearly has to do with more money and more bribes and lucky connections.. The no names in the race are probably half clean, and the no names behind the no names are clean.

No. The 'star' marathoner I referred to is female.

casual obsever wrote:

More to the point: since he never broke 59 or 2:05, he neither reaches El K's nor rek's threshold to count as an elite runner. Thus nothing to see here according to the trolls, just wait and see.

Thanks for the lie, the name calling, and the opportunity to respond.

My "threshold" for measuring quality post-1990 performances was 2:07:11.

Coevett wrote:

The doping apologists who keep defending them (Rekrunner, ...

Thanks for the lie, the name-calling, and the opportunity to respond.

I cannot defend, nor apologize for, anyone's doping.

If an athlete wants to raise their blood values "legally", they should go to high altitude.