How to tell your hs “track coach” you are training with a real track coach

i get the idea that you would be no picnic to deal with for a head coach.

team dynamics are very, very important. do not minimize them. this is something that a person who is not a head coach often doesn't understand.

if the coaching is that bad, take your precious private kid and find them some open races to enter.

if the kind of program your kid is running for is that high of a priority for you, you should 100% buy a house in a district that you respect. that is an option you have.

otherwise, play by the rules of the system, just like everybody else.

high school xc coach wrote:

if the kind of program your kid is running for is that high of a priority for you, you should 100% buy a house in a district that you respect. that is an option you have.

otherwise, play by the rules of the system, just like everybody else.

Ha! Nope. I'm not going to allow myself to be hog tied by you or your conflicts of interest (i.e., forcing my hand at paying you to coach despite your team's poor performance). I'll instruct my kid to play by the rules to a reasonable degree but if things become too bad, too onerous or too inflexible, that's when I step in and put up a fight.

I personally have no problem with the general idea of supplementary coaching. Sneaking around behind my back to get it and expecting me to exempt you from team attendance standards is a different matter entirely. A high school coach is tasked with coaching the entire team. Allowing an individual athlete to dictate their own training regimen goes counter to that goal. An outstanding talent will be readily apparent to even the most mediocre of coaches. A respectful request to further that talent within the confines of the team structure is not likely to be denied.

sustainable earth wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

if the kind of program your kid is running for is that high of a priority for you, you should 100% buy a house in a district that you respect. that is an option you have.

otherwise, play by the rules of the system, just like everybody else.

Ha! Nope. I'm not going to allow myself to be hog tied by you or your conflicts of interest (i.e., forcing my hand at paying you to coach despite your team's poor performance). I'll instruct my kid to play by the rules to a reasonable degree but if things become too bad, too onerous or too inflexible, that's when I step in and put up a fight.

yup. just make sure you follow the attendance and participation policy like everybody else.

high school xc coach wrote:

sustainable earth wrote:

Ha! Nope. I'm not going to allow myself to be hog tied by you or your conflicts of interest (i.e., forcing my hand at paying you to coach despite your team's poor performance). I'll instruct my kid to play by the rules to a reasonable degree but if things become too bad, too onerous or too inflexible, that's when I step in and put up a fight.

yup. just make sure you follow the attendance and participation policy like everybody else.

And, if I don't? You going to police me? Tell me I can't enter races? If that's your plan, expect a fight all the way to the top of the state administrative body and maybe even the state court if you piss me off enough.

yes. you will lose. every student athlete abides by these rules. good luck with your case. lol

you come off as a really terrible person, btw. it wouldn't surprise me if you have already had these kinds of issues with coaches. and the problem just might be more you than them.

high school xc coach wrote:

yes. you will lose. every student athlete abides by these rules. good luck with your case. lol

you come off as a really terrible person, btw. it wouldn't surprise me if you have already had these kinds of issues with coaches. and the problem just might be more you than them.

I am a horrible person. I don't need you to like me. But you better respect me.

sustainable earth wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

yup. just make sure you follow the attendance and participation policy like everybody else.

And, if I don't? You going to police me? Tell me I can't enter races? If that's your plan, expect a fight all the way to the top of the state administrative body and maybe even the state court if you piss me off enough.

Why stop at the state courts? Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. I’m sure they’ll want to hear your case just as much as any other administrative body.

sustainable earth wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

yes. you will lose. every student athlete abides by these rules. good luck with your case. lol

you come off as a really terrible person, btw. it wouldn't surprise me if you have already had these kinds of issues with coaches. and the problem just might be more you than them.

I am a horrible person. I don't need you to like me. But you better respect me.

here is what you need to respect. each team gets 1 or 2 spots at almost every invite. these teams have anywhere from 20 to 100+ kids on them. The kids who come to practice everyday are going to get one of those spots.

And this brings me to my favorite thing that private coaches like to do. Dictate what events their kids are going to participate in and which ones they won't participate in.

Forget about it. you want that kind of control, work your way to head coaching position.

Caruso > D. Rose! wrote:

sustainable earth wrote:

And, if I don't? You going to police me? Tell me I can't enter races? If that's your plan, expect a fight all the way to the top of the state administrative body and maybe even the state court if you piss me off enough.

Why stop at the state courts? Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. I’m sure they’ll want to hear your case just as much as any other administrative body.

ok, i'll work in sequenced order and if all fails i'll hit the supreme court too. Maybe a decision will be rendered to dissolve high school sports teams move to a European Club sport set up instead. Who needs this BS?

high school xc coach wrote:

sustainable earth wrote:

I am a horrible person. I don't need you to like me. But you better respect me.

here is what you need to respect. each team gets 1 or 2 spots at almost every invite. these teams have anywhere from 20 to 100+ kids on them. The kids who come to practice everyday are going to get one of those spots.

And this brings me to my favorite thing that private coaches like to do. Dictate what events their kids are going to participate in and which ones they won't participate in.

Forget about it. you want that kind of control, work your way to head coaching position.

If the high school coach is worth his/her weight in salt then the top athletes on that team will get the top 1-2 spots at the invite. That is IF (huge IF) the coach has talent and is able to connect in a meaningful way with his/her talented athletes. And, what if the coach isn't worth his/her weight in salt and squanders develop-able talent? Should taxpayers be obligated to pay that person's salary and the salaries of the administrators who took a hand in hiring that coach? Or, should the useless coach and blameworthy administrators acknowledge their failings and let a talented kid do what he/she thinks they need to do to ensure they get the coaching they THINK they deserve?

What is the moral, ethical and righteous path here from the standpoint of the adult coach and administrator?

sustainable earth wrote:

Caruso > D. Rose! wrote:

Why stop at the state courts? Take it to the Supreme Court if you have to. I’m sure they’ll want to hear your case just as much as any other administrative body.

ok, i'll work in sequenced order and if all fails i'll hit the supreme court too. Maybe a decision will be rendered to dissolve high school sports teams move to a European Club sport set up instead. Who needs this BS?

I hope guys realize that ‘sustainable earth’ is NOT the OP... and is most likely just trolling. Lol, the real thread discussion ended on page 1. The rest has all been fun and games like most LR posts.

i know some people don't see it this way, but high school track IS a team sport. rules need to be followed. you start breaking rules for one kid. and the rules don't mean anything anymore.

bottom line, in almost all cases a good athlete will survive bad coaching, and flourish anyway. And most bad coaches are just not going to be that hard to work with, unless you are hard to work with. private coaches who need 100% control are where problems really arise.

I think we are to the end of the argument. but if you have any specific examples, real or made up, id be more than happy to comment.

I don't think there was ever really a point worth arguing here, but I will add one thing. Whenever I speak to a college coach about a prospective athlete, he already knows their times. He wants to hear about attitude, reliability, and coachability. A college coach doesn't need a problem child any more than does a high school coach.

i don't know if this speaks to my area, but ive had several kids go on to run in college. a handful of D1. and very rarely do the college coaches try to reach out to me. There are some, but it is just way more typical for the kids to sign on without the coach ever having asked me a single question about the them.

it’s funny listening to all the holier than thou high school coaches lecture us on the obligatory loyalty they are owed by their athletes. Guys, this isn’t the way the world works. You earn loyalty and respect; demanding it from an underperforming team just shows you to be a poser and a waste of space. Do everyone a favor and leave on your own accord if you find yourself in a position of blocking poor high school kids from running in meets because they skipped practices to seek outside coaching. Lol- lame!

poser alert wrote:

it’s funny listening to all the holier than thou high school coaches lecture us on the obligatory loyalty they are owed by their athletes. Guys, this isn’t the way the world works. You earn loyalty and respect; demanding it from an underperforming team just shows you to be a poser and a waste of space. Do everyone a favor and leave on your own accord if you find yourself in a position of blocking poor high school kids from running in meets because they skipped practices to seek outside coaching. Lol- lame!

not quite as funny as listening to entitled parents/personal coaches. must suck being on the outside looking in ;)

high school xc coach wrote:

poser alert wrote:

it’s funny listening to all the holier than thou high school coaches lecture us on the obligatory loyalty they are owed by their athletes. Guys, this isn’t the way the world works. You earn loyalty and respect; demanding it from an underperforming team just shows you to be a poser and a waste of space. Do everyone a favor and leave on your own accord if you find yourself in a position of blocking poor high school kids from running in meets because they skipped practices to seek outside coaching. Lol- lame!

not quite as funny as listening to entitled parents/personal coaches. must suck being on the outside looking in ;)

No it doesn’t esp when you’re the one w the upper hand. Don’t forget, you work for the taxpayer my kid doesn’t work for you

;) right back at ‘cha, doode!