Coevett wrote:
Ultra > Marathon wrote:
Is there anyone out there who has a shot at setting a new mile record or do we need to wait a few more years?
Jakob will break it. He will have about 10 opportunities in his home meet, injuries permitting.
It's also slightly weaker than the 1500 WR. Crammie himself reckoned El G should have ran 3:41/3:42.
J Ing. cannot get much faster at 1500m or equivalent unless he gets his 400m & 800m times significantly faster.
Officialdb wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I don't agree it's a weaker record than the 1500. 17secs is an expected differential. A 3.26 man couldn't - and didn't - run faster than 3.43.
Jakob won't get near it (or the 1500 time). He doesn't have the basic speed. I doubt he could break 50secs for 1 lap.
Lastly, only doping will enable anyone to beat any world record today. I wouldn't give a cent that any record is clean.
You're a clown. Jakob closed a 5k in 52 or 53 (can remember) against Gebrihewet last year. Also, his 3:30 1500m clearly show's hes got ludicrous speed for a teenager. go back to the couch.
"Ludicrous speed"? On previous threads it was pointed out that Jakob hadn't broken 50 for the 400 and 1.49 for the 800. (Max Burgin has run 1.45 at the same age). That's the speed of a 5k runner, not a miler. His closing a race in 52-53 is what a good 5k runner might do. Jacob's speed is way below the best milers of half a century ago (Elliot, Snell, Ryun, and so on), who would have buried him over 2 laps or in a finish. He won't get near 3.26 or 3.43.
21st wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You were born yesterday. For most of the 20th century the mile was the glamour event that most captured the public imagination. Track today is a sport that no one outside the running fraternity actually cares about. The marathon is a geek event. Non-runners know who Bannister was; most wouldn't have a clue who Kipchoge is.
He is talking about the present and you are talking about the past.
Non-runners outwith the British Commonwealth are much more familiar with the name Kipchoge than with the name Bannister.
Non-runners today wouldn't know anyone who isn't called Bolt.
Frequency.
Time.
Either will suffice.
Better tech, better training, better health, larger population, etc. also help.
belial wrote:
Frequency.
Time.
Either will suffice.
Better tech, better training, better health, larger population, etc. also help.
It's called doping.
Armstronglivs wrote:
belial wrote:
Frequency.
Time.
Either will suffice.
Better tech, better training, better health, larger population, etc. also help.
It's called doping.
Caffeine is a helluva drug.
I know why wrote:
This post is because of Total Running Productions new video I bet. I wanted to post a thread asking the same question lol
It is... you win the internets
Ehhh??? Waat?
"Best Time of the Century"?
NO.
That's...
~3.41
I can't believe you've already forgotten this evident and well-known fact.
belial wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
It's called doping.
Caffeine is a helluva drug.
EPO, testosterone, 1-GF, and HGH are better.
That's speaking the truth wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I don't agree it's a weaker record than the 1500. 17secs is an expected differential. A 3.26 man couldn't - and didn't - run faster than 3.43.
Jakob won't get near it (or the 1500 time). He doesn't have the basic speed. I doubt he could break 50secs for 1 lap.
Lastly, only doping will enable anyone to beat any world record today. I wouldn't give a cent that any record is clean.
No kidding...I would agree. All people need to do is think a minute and understand what country is the current 1500/mile WR holder from, and what time period these two records were set in. ?
Steve Cram ran 3:46.32 with a 53.18 final lap in 1985. He was obviously capable of 3:44 (even faster, perhaps), and he said as much himself. Unless you think he was dirty, it shouldn't be hard too imagine someone clean running 3:43 thirty five years later.
was cram clean? wrote:
That's speaking the truth wrote:
No kidding...I would agree. All people need to do is think a minute and understand what country is the current 1500/mile WR holder from, and what time period these two records were set in. ?
Steve Cram ran 3:46.32 with a 53.18 final lap in 1985. He was obviously capable of 3:44 (even faster, perhaps), and he said as much himself. Unless you think he was dirty, it shouldn't be hard too imagine someone clean running 3:43 thirty five years later.
It isn't obvious he was capable of 3.44. You might as well say everyone is capable of running way faster than their best, and the El G was equally capable of 3.41. There is a very big difference between 3.46xx and 3.43.
was cram clean? wrote:
That's speaking the truth wrote:
No kidding...I would agree. All people need to do is think a minute and understand what country is the current 1500/mile WR holder from, and what time period these two records were set in. ?
Steve Cram ran 3:46.32 with a 53.18 final lap in 1985. He was obviously capable of 3:44 (even faster, perhaps), and he said as much himself. Unless you think he was dirty, it shouldn't be hard too imagine someone clean running 3:43 thirty five years later.
Aouita ran 3:46.76 with a 54.90 final lap in 1987. He, too, was obviously capable of a 3:44. Unless you think Aouita was dirty, someone clean should have ran 3:43 by now, but no one has, and no one has come close. And the only ones to run faster are El G, the Algerian speedster and a Kenyan with times all set in the full-throttle doping era with no EPO test/ABP, etc. El G's WR isn't going anywhere, in fact it could stay in the books for a very long time until maybe some athlete is genetically engineered in the future.
Starno wrote:
I would say anyone who can regularly go sub 3:30 on 1500m and has sub 3:29 PR has a chance to beat the current mile WR.
At even pace, the 1500m en route split would be 3:27.9.
3:28.21 was the 1500m split for El Guerrouj when he beat Ngeny to set the record of 3:43.12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvCsj7eJKKA
So, he was 2.2 seconds off his own 1500m world record and he closed in just under 15 seconds for 109.344m. You figure that he had the ability to pass 1500m in 3:27 flat or high 3:26 and run 3:41-42, as Cram thought.
Another thing to consider is that the circuit has always contained quite a few mile races over the years. I've previously listed them. They often have included Pre, Oslo, Rome, Brussels, Rieti, Nice, Zurich, Berlin, London, and Brussels. All of those appear a number of times on the world all-time mile lists. It's also possible to set up a special race for it, as Webb did with Ray Flynn in Brasschaatt for that 3:46.91, still the best since 2005, with Kejelcha's 3:47.01 the only close performance to it.
you take a 349 miler and give him the full meal deal.PESs
he puts in 2 years without injury
if you add in shoes, monaco and perfect apcing.
you got 340 mile. this a guarantee not a prediction.
Simple answer. Would have to run .01 faster than the current WR.
Armstronglivs wrote:
was cram clean? wrote:
Steve Cram ran 3:46.32 with a 53.18 final lap in 1985. He was obviously capable of 3:44 (even faster, perhaps), and he said as much himself. Unless you think he was dirty, it shouldn't be hard too imagine someone clean running 3:43 thirty five years later.
It isn't obvious he was capable of 3.44. You might as well say everyone is capable of running way faster than their best, and the El G was equally capable of 3.41. There is a very big difference between 3.46xx and 3.43.
It's very obvious. Your point about everyone being capable of faster is irrelevant. Anyone with a brain can see his splits were far from optimal that night. Cram said he was disappointed with a slow third lap:
“The record would have been at least a second better if we’d have been faster in that lap. This is not at all a final limit. It’s possible to run much faster than this.”
But then you know better than Cram of course.
That's speaking the truth wrote:
was cram clean? wrote:
Steve Cram ran 3:46.32 with a 53.18 final lap in 1985. He was obviously capable of 3:44 (even faster, perhaps), and he said as much himself. Unless you think he was dirty, it shouldn't be hard to imagine someone clean running 3:43 thirty five years later.
Aouita ran 3:46.76 with a 54.90 final lap in 1987. He, too, was obviously capable of a 3:44. Unless you think Aouita was dirty, someone clean should have ran 3:43 by now, but no one has, and no one has come close. And the only ones to run faster are El G, the Algerian speedster and a Kenyan with times all set in the full-throttle doping era with no EPO test/ABP, etc. El G's WR isn't going anywhere, in fact it could stay in the books for a very long time until maybe some athlete is genetically engineered in the future.
Cram's performance is more indicative of 3:44 ability, but I agree (as does Cram) that Aouita could have gone under 3:45. I also agree that El G's record isn't going anywhere, I just find it odd that no one has even been close.
Juice Jakobing full of EPO and other nice juices and you would see it.