I caught Dane Rauschenberg cheating

Why was it removed in the first place?

It seems like a couple of serial cheaters (Mike R. comes to mind as well) enjoy protection here and can't be discussed?

Why? This is what makes Dane famous. He is writing books, giving speeches... about his "accomplishments".

He might not be winning big prize money, but he is certainly profiting of his cheating. His speaking fee is $10,000:

He describes in his blog that he narrowly broke the course record, so without his cheating he wouldn't have broken it. Being able to claim that he is the CR holder is all the motivation he needs to cheat.

The same blog says he didn't know he broke it and therefore walked the last lap. There's just not "there" there on this one.

While this thread was deleted people kept resurrecting old ones (some started by dane or his fanboys), which made it easy to research his checkered career & attempts to make a living off ultras.

These people seem all alike in that they trade on the general ignorance of long runs. If they don’t succeed at one distance (or can’t maintain their standing, because ultras are often all-consuming with little reward), they simply move to a longer distance. Then it’s a trans-continental run or something around the world.

ToothyTortFeasor wrote:

The same blog says he didn't know he broke it and therefore walked the last lap. There's just not "there" there on this one.

I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying he didn't cheat because he didn't know he had broken the record? His cheating occurred prior to his confusion.

Do you have any explanation for why his race data hasn't been uploaded?

I am saying that using "breaking the course record" as motivation for cheating when there was, according to Markus, a few miles to go, and, according to his blog, he had already conceded to not breaking the course record, doesn't jive.

I have no explanation. As was stated in the thread, he apparently was having problems with his watch in his last race. Perhaps it didn't work here. I doubt anyone would simply stop to ask him before jumping to conclusions.

LetsRun.com wrote:

This thread has been restored and made for registered users to post only.

It's intriguing that the (largely unregistered) Dane defenders have disappeared.

ToothyTortFeasor wrote:

I am saying that using "breaking the course record" as motivation for cheating when there was, according to Markus, a few miles to go, and, according to his blog, he had already conceded to not breaking the course record, doesn't jive.

I have no explanation. As was stated in the thread, he apparently was having problems with his watch in his last race. Perhaps it didn't work here. I doubt anyone would simply stop to ask him before jumping to conclusions.

According to his blog, he went in with the intention of breaking the course record, so there is motivation there.

According to Markus, the cheating occured at 2:21pm. The raced lasted until 3:00pm.

Here are some of the quotes from his blog:

"Knowing it was going to take everything I had, and maybe things I didn't, to break the course record meant the last hour was going to hurt."

He still thought he had a chance at 2:00pm.

"The start of the final hour lifted my spirits and the first two miles were right what I needed. But then

the next two miles receded back into times which weren't going to help me."

He knows it's going to be close starting that last hour, so at 2:21 (according to Markus) possible cheating.

"As the last quarter of an hour beckoned, my legs were heavy. I was drenched in sweat. I was running faster than everyone else but it was no longer people I was trying to beat. I saw that with three loops to go, I had to do it in 12 minutes at a 4 minute lap pace to break what I thought was the course record. Unfortunately, I had 11:23 seconds to do it and wasn't anywhere close to four-minute lap pace at this point"

It wasn't until around 2:45 that he thought he had lost the record.

The timeline you present does not fit. At 2:00, he's feeling good, and feels like it will be close to get the record. He really needs to "push". At 2:21 Markus makes his obeservations. At around 2:45, he concedes that he lost the record.

To conclude, his motivation to cheat would have been high at the time Markus observed the cheating.

Finally, it's quite a coincidence that his watch "malfunctions" during races, no?

I’ve organized five transcon races & dane’s explanations make no sense. Running is a simple sport at heart. These complex explanations are themselves evidence of cheating. People make running complicated by bragging about goals that they haven’t prepared for, goals that are unrealistic.

So his motivation was to run at the limit and just hope the timer somehow fell asleep right when he was getting tired? And somehow Markus is the only person who notices this egregious cheating? Please.

I know nothing about when or where his watch malfunctions. Someone mentioned somewhere that his Strava is full of him bitching about a watch that doesn't seem to work for him. So unless he was playing the long con of months of "bad watch" just so that with 30 minutes left in this race he hopes the timer falls asleep so he can skip one half of one mile it seems like the hoops to jump through to prove cheating are far more numerous than "Hey, Markus, maybe you were mistaken."

pathfinder wrote:

ToothyTortFeasor wrote:

The same blog says he didn't know he broke it and therefore walked the last lap. There's just not "there" there on this one.

I'm not sure I understand this. Are you saying he didn't cheat because he didn't know he had broken the record? His cheating occurred prior to his confusion.

Do you have any explanation for why his race data hasn't been uploaded?

The race data of Dane you find here. Just click on the icon on the left side of his result line.

Lap record around 5:20 hours into the race

So I saw him resting for 3-4 minutes but you don't see that in the lap results. Strange, isn't it?

Sounds simple to me.

Looks like another instance of course cutting at the Ely Marathon on 9/22/2018https://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#1858810947?c=cbw8t8hw&z=G&t=1RfcFQ&a=QzTLbuFUwXpBO9Ru3jPSbg Check out the flyby data. Right at the finish line, he cuts about half a mile off the course. I thought maybe his GPS was wonky, but every other turn matches perfectly with other users. The comments on that Strava activity adds believably to the course cutting. He actually accuses the winner of cheating (projection)

This was the most painful loss of all when a speedster came out of nowhere in the 22 mile and stole the win and my soul. Still not sure how someone with that much speed in their legs at the end wasn't way far ahead of me. Found out later that he also set a PR in what was like his 40th marathon. [This is hard to believe] given his long running history and his age

And later in the comments, again hinting at the winner cheating:

Thank you, everyone! I’m extremely interested to see the winner’s splits!

So he thought someone else was cheating, and thought maybe he could get a win if he cut the last out and back. After all, it's justified if the other guy was cheating too right? At least that's how he's convincing his narcissistic self that he didn't do anything wrong.

The 3rd place person finished 4 minutes and 48 seconds behind him, so no one was around at the spot where he cut.

The behavior certainly matches Ultramarkus observations at the Perpetual Motion 6 hour run.

So to summarize so far...

1. The OP (ultramarkus) is a veteran ultramarathoner and the same person who outed Robert Young's fake transcon a few years back (and frequent poster on here).

2. User "jesseriley" is a veteran ultramarathoner and well known and respected Race Director (and frequent poster on here)

3. The runner in question, Dane, is a veteran marathoner who has a few very questionable performances (namely never really accounting for the video of him riding a moving RV during his so-called solo 199 miler)

4. The OP from #1 above was at the same race as Dane from #3 and saw him cheat and posted about it.

5. The unregistered usernames were mostly detracting from what the OP posted and were defending Dane.

6. Since the Brojos made it registered usernames only, the amount of people defending Dane has magically dried up.

Am I missing anything?

So we are down to him perhaps skipping one lap and him cutting inside of the barrier at the corner of a turn on multiple laps as the accusation of cheating, right?

Is the idea that the lap skipping was a crime of opportunity (for lack of a better phrase) because he saw the timer not around or asleep or whatever?

Take that out, and we have him cutting corners by a few feet, right?

Not defending this guy at all. He seems pretty awful, to be honest. But I want to be sure I understand what he is being accused of.

ToothyTortFeasor wrote:

So his motivation was to run at the limit and just hope the timer somehow fell asleep right when he was getting tired? And somehow Markus is the only person who notices this egregious cheating? Please.

I know nothing about when or where his watch malfunctions. Someone mentioned somewhere that his Strava is full of him bitching about a watch that doesn't seem to work for him. So unless he was playing the long con of months of "bad watch" just so that with 30 minutes left in this race he hopes the timer falls asleep so he can skip one half of one mile it seems like the hoops to jump through to prove cheating are far more numerous than "Hey, Markus, maybe you were mistaken."

C'mon, Dane. You're making jumps to things that I haven't said. I never said you hoped the timer would fall asleep at exactly the right time. But the opportunity was there, and you took it. It was going to be close, and you stated your intention was the record. It was your chance to do the impossible. That's what I'm saying.

If your watch isn't working, upload the data to Strava and note it in the description. It seems like you've done that in the past, right?

Yes, that's pretty much it.

2-3 yards of course cutting in the first 1.5 hours and one cheated lap for a okay "41" mile performance in 6 hours.

He didn't win a car or something like that. Just a glass trophy which he would have one as well if he would have finished a little shorter.

Smoove wrote:

So we are down to him perhaps skipping one lap and him cutting inside of the barrier at the corner of a turn on multiple laps as the accusation of cheating, right?

Is the idea that the lap skipping was a crime of opportunity (for lack of a better phrase) because he saw the timer not around or asleep or whatever?

Take that out, and we have him cutting corners by a few feet, right?

Not defending this guy at all. He seems pretty awful, to be honest. But I want to be sure I understand what he is being accused of.

It's true. He's accused of cutting off a few feet and a lap of about a half mile. That took away the record of someone else, I'll presume.

I guess, if we disregard the half mile, then yes, it's down to a few feet. I'm not sure why we would take out him skipping a lap, though.

I'll also agree that he is pretty awful.

A few corrections to my above post on the Ely Marathons.

- The distance cut was actually a 1.01 miles, not half a mile.

- He paused his watch just seconds after going off the course (confirmed by a jump in the flyby data)

- He resumed his watch 0:49 seconds later, re-entering the course a mile away

I know it's a LR trope to accuse anyone remotely defending someone of being that person but sorry pal. Ain't me.

And since that's where this is going, no sense trying to talk logically anymore.