Official 2019 NCAA D1 XC/Road Race Regional Discussion Thread

Here are the teams getting in and the rationale after I've added in the midweset region. Looks like my alm mater is the first team out unless Gonzaga screws up in the west.

Teams selected:

1 Wisconsin

2 Indiana

3 Villanova

4 Georgetown

5 Tulsa

6 Iowa St

7 NAU

8 BYU

9 Harvard

10 Syracuse

11 Ole Miss

12 Middle Tennessee

13 Texas

14 Arkansas

15 Virginia

16 Va Tech

17 Stanford

18 Oregon

19 Colorado

20 UCLA

21 Portland

22 Michigan

23 Purdue

24 Notre Dame

25 NC State

26 Utah St

27 Washington

28 Boise St

29 Furman

30 Iona

31 Gonzaga

Automatically selected:

1: Wisconsin (#1 Great Lakes) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue; (Joe Piane) Colorado, NC State, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan;

2: Indiana (#2 Great Lakes) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue; (Joe Piane) Colorado, NC State, Purdue, Notre Dame;

3: Villanova (#1 Mid-Atlantic) is selected, has losses to (Pre-Nats) Colorado, Iona, Washington, Florida St; (Bill Dellinger) UCLA, Boise St, Portland, Furman;

4: Georgetown (#2 Mid-Atlantic) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue, Portland, Michigan, Boise St, Southern Utah, Utah St, Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Princeton, Furman; (Joe Piane) Colorado, NC State, Purdue, Notre Dame, Michigan, Eastern Kentucky, Florida St;

5: Tulsa (#1 Midwest) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

6: Iowa St (#2 Midwest) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

7: NAU (#1 Mountain) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

8: BYU (#2 Mountain) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

9: Harvard (#1 Northeast) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue, Portland, Michigan, Boise St, Southern Utah, Utah St, Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Princeton, Furman, Air Force, Eastern Kentucky, Wyoming, Michigan St, Colorado St, New Mexico; (Ivy League) Penn; (Battle in Beantown) Army, Stony Brook;

10: Syracuse (#2 Northeast) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue, Portland, Michigan, Boise St, Southern Utah, Utah St, Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Princeton, Furman, Air Force, Eastern Kentucky, Wyoming;

11: Ole Miss (#1 South) is selected, has losses to (Pre-Nats) Colorado, Iona, Washington; (Joe Piane) Colorado;

12: Middle Tennessee (#2 South) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

13: Texas (#1 South Central) is selected, has losses to (BIG 12) Oklahoma St; (Bill Dellinger) UCLA, Boise St, Portland, Furman;

14: Arkansas (#2 South Central) is selected, has losses to (Chile Pepper) Oklahoma St; (SEC) Alabama; (Pre-Nats) Colorado, Iona, Washington, Florida St, Weber St, Iowa, Oklahoma St, Minnesota; (Battle in Beantown) Army, Stony Brook, Washington, Navy, Dartmouth, Penn, Georgia Tech;

15: Virginia (#1 Southeast) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue, Portland, Michigan, Boise St, Southern Utah, Utah St, Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Princeton; (ACC) Notre Dame;

16: Va Tech (#2 Southeast) is selected, has losses to (ACC) Notre Dame; (Pre-Nats) Colorado, Iona, Washington, Florida St;

17: Stanford (#1 West) is selected, has losses to (PAC-12) Colorado;

18: Oregon (#2 West) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) UCLA, Purdue, Portland; (PAC-12) Colorado;

Teams under consideration by points:

10 Colorado, Purdue

9 UCLA

7 Portland

6 Michigan

5 Furman

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St

3 NC State

1 Alabama

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Notre Dame (9), Boise St (6), Washington (5), Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Michigan St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1), Colorado St (1)

Breaking ties between Colorado, Purdue using head-to-head

Purdue loses head-to-head vs Colorado, is not selected (Joe Piane)

19: Colorado (#3 Mountain) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration by points:

10 Purdue

9 UCLA

7 Portland

6 Michigan

5 Furman

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St

3 NC State

1 Colorado St, Alabama

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Notre Dame (9), Boise St (6), Washington (5), Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Michigan St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

Purdue not selected with push (gets in later on their own)

20: UCLA (#3 West) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration by points:

7 Portland

6 Michigan

5 Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St

3 NC State

1 Colorado St, Alabama

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Purdue (10), Notre Dame (9), Boise St (6), Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Michigan St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

21: Portland (#4 West) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Purdue;

Teams under consideration by points:

6 Michigan, Boise St

5 Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St

3 NC State

1 Colorado St, Alabama

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Purdue (11), Notre Dame (9), Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Michigan St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Michigan, Boise St using head-to-head

Boise St loses head-to-head vs Michigan, is not selected (Nuttycombe)

22: Michigan (#3 Great Lakes) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Purdue; (Joe Piane) NC State, Purdue, Notre Dame;

Teams under consideration by points:

13 Purdue

10 Notre Dame

6 Boise St

5 Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St, NC State

1 Colorado St, Alabama

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Michigan St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

23: Purdue (#4 Great Lakes) is selected, has losses to (Joe Piane) NC State;

Teams under consideration by points:

10 Notre Dame

6 Boise St

5 NC State, Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona, Utah St, Florida St

1 Colorado St, Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Southern Utah (4), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

24: Notre Dame (#5 Great Lakes) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Boise St, Southern Utah, Utah St; (Joe Piane) NC State;

Teams under consideration by points:

7 Boise St

6 NC State

5 Utah St, Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona, Florida St

1 Colorado St, Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Southern Utah (5), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Iowa (1)

Boise St not selected with push (gets in later on their own)

25: NC State (#3 Southeast) is selected, has losses to (ACC) Wake Forest, Florida St, Duke;

Teams under consideration by points:

5 Utah St, Florida St, Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona

1 Colorado St, Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Charlotte, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Boise St (7), Southern Utah (5), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Wyoming (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Duke (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Utah St, Florida St, Furman, Washington using head-to-head

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Utah St and Florida St

Furman loses head-to-head vs Utah St, is not selected (Nuttycombe)

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Utah St and Washington

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Florida St and Furman

Florida St loses head-to-head vs Washington, is not selected (Pre-Nats)

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Furman and Washington

Breaking ties between Utah St, Washington using common opponents

Washington loses common opponents vs Utah St, is not selected (win percentages: 0.6956521739130435, 0.48148148148148145) (common opponents: Gonzaga, Stanford, Army, Washington St, Oregon, UMass Lowell, Navy, Harvard, Cal Poly, Weber St, Minnesota, Penn, UCLA, Colorado, Boise St, Portland, Dartmouth, Stony Brook, Montana St, BYU, Syracuse)

26: Utah St (#4 Mountain) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Boise St, Southern Utah;

Teams under consideration by points:

5 Florida St, Furman, Washington

4 Princeton, Iona

2 Wyoming

1 Colorado St, Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Charlotte, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Boise St (8), Southern Utah (6), Gonzaga (4), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Army (2), Stony Brook (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Duke (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Florida St, Furman, Washington using head-to-head

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Florida St and Furman

Florida St loses head-to-head vs Washington, is not selected (Pre-Nats)

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Furman and Washington

Breaking ties between Furman, Washington using common opponents

Furman loses common opponents vs Washington, is not selected (win percentages: 0.5833333333333334, 0.5416666666666666) (common opponents: Gonzaga, Campbell, Stanford, Oregon, Duke, UCLA, Harvard, Cal Poly, Villanova, Santa Clara, Va Tech, Syracuse, Liberty, Portland, North Carolina, Washington St, Idaho, BYU, Boise St, Louisville)

27: Washington (#5 West) is selected, has losses to (Pre-Nats) Iona; (Battle in Beantown) Army, Stony Brook;

Teams under consideration by points:

8 Boise St

5 Iona, Florida St, Furman

4 Princeton, Gonzaga

2 Wyoming

1 Colorado St, Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Charlotte, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar

Others with points: Southern Utah (6), Eastern Kentucky (3), Army (3), Stony Brook (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Duke (1), Iowa (1)

28: Boise St (#6 West) is selected, has losses to (Mountain West) Colorado St, Wyoming;

Teams under consideration by points:

5 Iona, Florida St, Furman

4 Princeton, Gonzaga

3 Wyoming

2 Colorado St

1 Alabama, Michigan St

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Charlotte, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar, Washington St

Others with points: Southern Utah (6), Army (3), Stony Brook (3), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Duke (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Iona, Florida St, Furman using head-to-head

Florida St loses head-to-head vs Iona, is not selected (Pre-Nats)

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Iona and Furman

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Florida St and Furman

Breaking ties between Iona, Furman using common opponents

Iona loses common opponents vs Furman, is not selected (win percentages: 0.8181818181818182, 0.7272727272727273) (common opponents: Campbell, Villanova, Va Tech, Louisville, Liberty, Duke, North Carolina, Harvard, Columbia, BYU, Syracuse)

29: Furman (#4 Southeast) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Southern Utah, Gonzaga, Princeton;

Teams under consideration by points:

5 Princeton, Iona, Florida St, Gonzaga

3 Wyoming

2 Colorado St

1 Alabama, Michigan St, Duke

0 Temple, UMass Lowell, Butler, Charlotte, Kansas, South Dakota St, Texas A&M, Lamar, Washington St

Others with points: Southern Utah (7), Army (3), Stony Brook (3), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Princeton, Iona, Florida St, Gonzaga using head-to-head

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Princeton and Iona

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Princeton and Florida St

Princeton loses head-to-head vs Gonzaga, is not selected (Nuttycombe)

Florida St loses head-to-head vs Iona, is not selected (Pre-Nats)

No head-to-head tiebreaker for Iona and Gonzaga

Gonzaga loses head-to-head vs Florida St, is not selected (Joe Piane)

30: Iona (#3 Northeast) is selected, has no losses to teams remaining

Teams under consideration by points:

5 Princeton, Gonzaga

2 Colorado St

1 Alabama, Michigan St

0 UMass Lowell, Charlotte, Kansas, Texas A&M

Others with points: Southern Utah (7), Florida St (5), Wyoming (3), Army (3), Stony Brook (3), Eastern Kentucky (3), Oklahoma St (3), Air Force (2), Penn (2), New Mexico (1), Weber St (1), Minnesota (1), Dartmouth (1), Navy (1), Georgia Tech (1), Wake Forest (1), Duke (1), Iowa (1)

Breaking ties between Princeton, Gonzaga using head-to-head

Princeton loses head-to-head vs Gonzaga, is not selected (Nuttycombe)

31: Gonzaga (#7 West) is selected, has losses to (Nuttycombe) Southern Utah; (Joe Piane) Eastern Kentucky, Florida St, Iowa, Wyoming;

Wow... Harvard Men! Not receiving any votes in the national poll, beating 2 ranked teams, and winning the region. When was the last team to do that?

C/M Runner wrote:

Hannah Reinhardt (Albany) got the individual win in 19:28.4

While it is only an individual title, this is still a pretty big win for the Albany program which was still Division 3 when I graduated from there 25 years ago.

Their distance coach has made the most of every athlete he has had come in the door (which isn't a high number since the head coach likes to emphasize sprinters since they can be more effective scorers at conference meets since many can be taught to jump and hurdle as well).

Isai Rodriguez 66th place in Midwest after finishing 2nd to Kurga at Big 12 two weeks ago.

Okla State finishes fifth. Would easily have been third if Rodriguez ran as expected.

Wow OK State and Isai Rodriguez(4th individual last year at NCAAs) staying hone this year.

Colin Baker - 8th at Heps but 5th at regionals. Big run for a true frosh

BYU women with the win. Followed by New Mexico, Air Force, Colorado, and Utah

Arkansas women sweep, has that ever happened in a regional before?

The athlete special is going to NCAAs take that haters.

Did Kelati really win by a minute?

team Unruly Bush wrote:

Did Kelati really win by a minute?

Yes, sub-19 at altitude is impressive.

J Eastwood 60th place, end of that story.

57 seconds.

Great Lakes Women

1.MSU

2. UM

3. Wico

Juice Springsteen wrote:

Arkansas women sweep, has that ever happened in a regional before?

Harvard won both earlier today

What are the women’s in depth analysis? Why is flotrack not saying Georgetown has an at large I thought they did for sure

LetsRun.com wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-j12VmkeYw

What a joke. I had like a 10-second video showing the Cornell women in the shoes at the start but flotrack filed a copyright claim against it. It's called fair use.

Soon they will be stopping parents from uploading their home videos at races to youtube. Give me a break.

I've filed a counterclaim against them. This happened a few years ago and I won but it takes times. In the meantime, here is a photo of the cornell women in the vaporflys.

Ant0099 wrote:

Juice Springsteen wrote:

Arkansas women sweep, has that ever happened in a regional before?

Harvard won both earlier today

He said the women sweep, i.e., went 1 through 5.

Ant0099 wrote:

Juice Springsteen wrote:

Arkansas women sweep, has that ever happened in a regional before?

Harvard won both earlier today

“Sweep” as in “top five places/15 points”

LetsRun.com wrote:

Gfgg wrote:

HARVARD TAKES THE NORTHEAST BY STORM WINS BOTH TEAM RACES

Alex Gibby is a great coach. Do we know if they were wearing the vaporflys?

I can confirm the biggest upset of the week - the cornell women making it - was helped by the Vaporflys as shown here. They are at the left of the screen in red and white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-j12VmkeYw

Looks like Flotrack made a copyright claim. Strange since everyone is saying they aren't even covering the event.