Alan Webb's wife Julia says she experienced a miracle while running on the treadmill

Try Lab Corp. They deal with nothing but bloodwork. If there’s not one nearby, I’m sure you or Alan knows a doc who would be willing to test the substance for you to see if it’s blood.

Sorry, I think you are misreading my post. Yes, the doubters of any "miracle" can be believers or non-believers. I was trying to make the point (which Prov. 28:26 also makes) that our human nature (trusting in ourselves as fools) can prevent us from believing something which is very clearly shown to us as fact....i.e. the earth is a globe, or the disciples seeing Jesus in the flesh post-resurrection. Hence, there is only a limited value to evangelism from a miracle, even as big a one as rising from the dead because of humans' reluctance to change our paradigm beliefs.

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Michael Smores wrote:

You seem to think that all "doubters" are heathens instead of other Christians who are trying to assess the situation rationally.

Proverbs 28:26: Thos who trust in themselves are fools, but those who walk in wisdom are kept safe.

Sorry, I think you are misreading my post. Yes, the doubters of any "miracle" can be believers or non-believers. I was trying to make the point (which Prov. 28:26 also makes) that our human nature (trusting in ourselves as fools) can prevent us from believing something which is very clearly shown to us as fact....i.e. the earth is a globe, or the disciples seeing Jesus in the flesh post-resurrection. Hence, there is only a limited value to evangelism from a miracle, even as big a one as rising from the dead because of humans' reluctance to change our paradigm beliefs.

ah, I see. Good point

Bad Wigins wrote:

This is among the most awesomely ridiculous bits of running-related news I've seen in a while.

Probably what really happened is a spontaneous nosebleed with the drops blown forward by her own breath.

This.

None of what you said is supportive of miracles happening and certainly not of a potential higher power being defined as it is in any religious text. Much of your questions on the big bag and life "spawning" have been answered. You can start with google. It is just too convenient to believe in a biblical God... if the chances of "spawning" life are already so little, then what are the chances that spawned life has any authority to define God as the bearded Guy in the clouds full of human characteristics and capable of creating demons and angels... sorry

I grew up in a very religious household with a strict focus on bible study. That doesn't change the fact that it is still just a bunch of old story books written by man. Out of all of them, Quran is slightly more believable, even though again it is was inspired by someone hallucinating in the desert. To me it was always clear these authors had no clue about biology, the planet or universe back then, and it shows plainly in the scriptures. There is too much contradiction, vagueness, and it is filled with "just believe in it" assumptions. Infantile and provocative style aside, Religulous does a great job of explaining religion. If you want a serious and scientific take though, read Sapiens, which debunks any religious interpretation of God without even trying.

Or 23andMe, lol.. let us know if the results show a genetic consistency with a hominin.

I didn't think about this immediately, but I'm sure I've seen a similar phenomenon. It took me a while to remember where.

In my case, IIRC, it was oil (WD40) overspray onto a dirty/rusty surface. The oil ran down just like this in the photo. If you spray an old lock with WD40, you'll see a similar dried blood color in the drips.

My guess is what she saw is just dust/ rust/dried cleaning fluid mixed with drops of some type liquid... perspiration/condensation/splatter from a water bottle/etc.

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Bad Wigins wrote:

This is among the most awesomely ridiculous bits of running-related news I've seen in a while.

Probably what really happened is a spontaneous nosebleed with the drops blown forward by her own breath.

This.

To me it is more likely that conviction delusion has played a role. I don't necessary dispute that she may have 100% believed that she witnessed a miracle, but surely a quick analysis of the sample will rule out the guy in the sky. Likely what will happen is no analysis.

fisky wrote:

I didn't think about this immediately, but I'm sure I've seen a similar phenomenon. It took me a while to remember where.

In my case, IIRC, it was oil (WD40) overspray onto a dirty/rusty surface. The oil ran down just like this in the photo. If you spray an old lock with WD40, you'll see a similar dried blood color in the drips.

My guess is what she saw is just dust/ rust/dried cleaning fluid mixed with drops of some type liquid... perspiration/condensation/splatter from a water bottle/etc.

This. Remember in the movie "Short Circuit" when Johnny 5 is "bleeding"?

fisky wrote:

I didn't think about this immediately, but I'm sure I've seen a similar phenomenon. It took me a while to remember where.

In my case, IIRC, it was oil (WD40) overspray onto a dirty/rusty surface. The oil ran down just like this in the photo. If you spray an old lock with WD40, you'll see a similar dried blood color in the drips.

My guess is what she saw is just dust/ rust/dried cleaning fluid mixed with drops of some type liquid... perspiration/condensation/splatter from a water bottle/etc.

When I was a teenager, a close friend and member of my congregation claimed to me that he was seeing stuff, some of it religious (angels, voices) some it other random stuff... at one point he claimed he saw a laser being beamed at his body, despite the windows and doors being shut in his house and no one else at home. He was afraid of it might be a sniper. I used to brush his nonsense off but that started to scare me a bit. One day while we were playing video games at his house he suddenly freaked out about the laser. He was nervous and petrified and pointing to his body, as if following the leaser beam with his finger... I could not see anything, no sign of any laser. It was pure illusion. After his parents finally accepted something might be off, they started getting him checked out. He was schizophrenic... basically his mind was allowing him to see what was not objectively there.

I don't think that is the case here but wanted to share how powerful our state of mind can be.

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Raysism wrote:

If I ran 10 miles on a treadmill, I'd start bleeding from the eyes.

This is a great illustration of the cultural divide in the USA. Observant Christians/Jews/Conservatives are constantly exposed to the views and philosophies of the secular left; you can't log on to google, yahoo or MSN without seeing their latest point of view. The secularists, on the other hand, are totally insulated from an entire reality of beliefs and values, comprising tens of millions of citizens. They mock, they parrot Bill Maher, an atheist leftist whose philosophies resulted in 100 million deaths in the last 100 years and wonder why there is a backlash.

Great point and 100% spot on. In society to today, we are made to believe that there are 57 genders and that men can turn themselves into women and that's supposed to just be normal. However people with the polar opposite of that type of thinking, i.e. Julia and her experience with the treadmill, is immediately shouted down by those same people that push those leftist views. Just think about that fact everyone before you go around 100% dismissing something.

While I agree with the consequences and general "shutting out" by each side, that people will not believe in the same thing though (even when the science is clear) is what ultimately leads to the drift. It is 2019 after all, and by now science and logic are just too accessible to everyone for people who indulge in fairy tales not to have to hear criticism. Church, the home, and certain homogeneous communities are safe spaces for such indulgences but if you think there are boundaries on LRC or the rest of the internet you are nuts. IMO, have think skin and deal with it. I have been attacked for my atheist views for as long as I have had them, and understandably so. Hasn't swayed me one bit, or made me value some else's life any less...

Being disagreed with isn't cause to feel victimized. Grow up.

Michael Smores wrote:

Being disagreed with isn't cause to feel victimized. Grow up.

Amen

Elvin wrote:

There is a subset of religious people who seem to view God as some kind of poltergeist who uses his unlimited power to go around performing cheap magic tricks. Guess she's one of them.

lol. Yup, 100% true. And yes, he uses that "unlimited power" to perform such vague, magic tricks instead, oh, I don't know, stopping brutal murders and abuse of little children, which surely was happening somewhere in the world at that same exact moment that she was running on the treadmill.

Bad Wigins wrote:

This is among the most awesomely ridiculous bits of running-related news I've seen in a while.

Probably what really happened is a spontaneous nosebleed with the drops blown forward by her own breath.

But if she spat the blood onto the treadmill the momentum would have caused it to splash up and to the right. There had to have been a second spitter.

Hardloper wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

This is among the most awesomely ridiculous bits of running-related news I've seen in a while.

Probably what really happened is a spontaneous nosebleed with the drops blown forward by her own breath.

But if she spat the blood onto the treadmill the momentum would have caused it to splash up and to the right. There had to have been a second spitter.

Who might it have been?

Hardloper wrote:

But if she spat the blood onto the treadmill the momentum would have caused it to splash up and to the right. There had to have been a second spitter.

I like the multiple spitter theory. Could have been Alan behind an inside job. Can't rule out the Ritz, Halls, Culpeppers or the Gouchers.

Was she always a religious nut? If not I really feel sorry for him. That would make a marriage very difficult, it would also make it very difficult to divorce. Assuming your partner, the mother of your children is still a nice person, a good mom, a faithful wife, but a religious whacko.. that would be darned hard to file divorce papers on that.