Craig is right. But both of them have cringey personalities in their own way.
Craig is right. But both of them have cringey personalities in their own way.
There's nothing misogynistic about calling someone out. If Jenny were a man, it wouldn't change the fact that she's an idiot.
nothing more than a witch hunt wrote:
Huge respect for Craig. I'm really sick of all the self-righteous preaching coming from other professional athletes about this.
I can't wait for all the whining after Salazar wins his appeal.
How can you be looking forward to something you are really sick of?
Jenny has responded https://youtu.be/5AVy_iAFniA
LetsRun.com wrote:
Craig Engels just came through mixed zone and it was the most raw / entertaining interview of the Championships.
Worth listening to the whole video below as he likes Jenny and says 'she's been a great role model. She just needs to chill in front of the camera.' Engels clearly didn't like that they had breakfast together and she was nice to him and then blasted the group on camra. "Jesus Christ jenny what do you have against me?" he says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB-AXOQpqH8
Awesome interview and I have so much respect for Craig. Here's one for you fools and your 'holier-than thou' attitudes. The entire IAAF, IOC and world of Track and Field is corrupt. Why don't we all just stop competing and boycott the IOC. Russians are still competing.
really bro? wrote:
There's nothing misogynistic about calling someone out. If Jenny were a man, it wouldn't change the fact that she's an idiot.
Such an idiot for saying there is a cloud of suspicion around a program whose founder and coach just got banned for 4 years for breaking anti-doping regulations.
I love Engles...BUT...at 1:51 he says he didn't know anything about charges when he joined the group....then at 4:16 he says he asked Peter about it "before he joined the group....Somewhere in there lies the truth.
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Advantage Engels on this one.
based on?
The key part of this interview is when Craig splutters out "if he is found guilty" and the the response is simply "he was found guilty, he's been banned for four years".
That's the end of it. There is no comeback on that.
And there certainly is no advantage Craig Engels, Pete Julian, Salazar or that entirely corrupt Sports Marketing experiment which is the NOP
I appreciate that Craig was honest and acknowledged he was doing what he could to distance himself from this whole thing. With the crazy responses this thread is getting, I don't blame him. It seems like everyone wants NOP to be dirty after the arbitrators found no evidence that any of them were doping.
Salvatore Stitchmo wrote:
Lenny Leonard wrote:
Advantage Engels on this one.
based on?
The key part of this interview is when Craig splutters out "if he is found guilty" and the the response is simply "he was found guilty, he's been banned for four years".
That's the end of it. There is no comeback on that.
And there certainly is no advantage Craig Engels, Pete Julian, Salazar or that entirely corrupt Sports Marketing experiment which is the NOP
He said he's waiting until a decision is made regarding Salazar's appeal. Not that hard to understand.
yagoo wrote:
nothing more than a witch hunt wrote:
Huge respect for Craig. I'm really sick of all the self-righteous preaching coming from other professional athletes about this.
I can't wait for all the whining after Salazar wins his appeal.
How can you be looking forward to something you are really sick of?
I look forward to these clowns eating their words.
you are the entire circus wrote:
yagoo wrote:
How can you be looking forward to something you are really sick of?
I look forward to these clowns eating their words.
But they won't eat their own words. There will still be suspicion around the NOP.
Jenny said “I guess if the rules say sifan can run I should respect it. “
Her name was in no report of anything. Wtf is she trying to spout off on?
This is exactly what Craig is saying- Jenny is pointing fingers and creating issues where they don’t belong.
Alberto is banned. We saw the report. Bash him if you want. If you want to bring in new evidence on Sifan, find it. Just don’t make things up. No class there, Jenny
First thing
+510392039103 points for the reporters in the mixed zone interviewing Craig Engels. They asked the right follow up questions, consistently holding his feet to the fire on this, never giving in and pandering or "fangirl-fanboy-ing" over him. They correctly pointed out that perhaps his anger at Jenny was misguided and should be directed to Alberto-someone who actually broke the rules, and put him and teammates in this situation in the first place. They called him on his Keke Palmer style "I don't know this man" BS over Alberto. They asked him DIRECTLY about specifics in the report including the shady testosterone experiment, pushing him to admit himself it was shady. Kudos. We desperately need more of this. It was a lack of these types of questions in the past that allowed for Lance, Marion and others to get away with things for so long. I really hope reports at the Chicago Marathon take notes when they interview Jordan and Galen.
Secondly,
I appreciate Craig for sticking through it and being candid about things. I don't think he's a cheater, but you can't be sure given the cloud that's over the entire team. I have doubts about all of them now and probably always will. As for Jenny, she was in the right, both times. I appreciate that she did not take back anything she said.
As if there is no reason to be suspicious of a runner whose coach received a 4 year ban for breaking anti-doping rules.
High Horse? Well played Craig, well played.
CNN wrote:
I love Engles...BUT...at 1:51 he says he didn't know anything about charges when he joined the group....then at 4:16 he says he asked Peter about it "before he joined the group....Somewhere in there lies the truth.
you're right. Damn.
NoTack Jenny wrote:
Jenny said “I guess if the rules say sifan can run I should respect it. “
Her name was in no report of anything. Wtf is she trying to spout off on?
This is exactly what Craig is saying- Jenny is pointing fingers and creating issues where they don’t belong.
Alberto is banned. We saw the report. Bash him if you want. If you want to bring in new evidence on Sifan, find it. Just don’t make things up. No class there, Jenny
Exactly. Where is it that any of the NOP athletes failed or missed a drug test? Alberto was banned, not the people associated with him. I don't knock the kid for setting himself up for success by joining NOP. He wasn't on a leaked 'likely doping' list after all..
Craig: GET ON HER LEVEL.
You can call him raw, entertaining, whatever, but I just see him as irrelevant as he's done nothing to earn a pulpit yet. Haven't ever been on a podium on the biggest stage yet? Then sit down and hold Jenny's warmups, kid.
gojenny! wrote:
Jenny is absolutely right.
Craig then commented on the Flotrack post saying "She is wild man!" with a laughing emoji as if Jenny is some crazy woman going off about some unfounded topic.
USADA just put a 4 year ban on Salazar, the FOUNDER of NOP. Everyone in the sport of track and field knows Salazar has has shady practices. And people don't have a right to question the group even though Engels is coached by Julian?
Sit down, Craig. You don't have nearly as many national titles or medals as Simpson.
I have always been a big Jenny Simpson fan, now, not so much. Her negative comment about her fellow USA teammates at a global championship was unkind, unnecessary and incorrect. If we assume every U.S. athlete who has worked with a tainted coach is a doper, then we would have to cast dispersions on nearly half of our Olympic medalist since the 1980s. Notwithstanding the fact there is actual doping in our sport that need to be called out, but for athletes who put their heart and soul into becoming successful and would never dope, to be called out as a doper is extremely hurtful. - Jenny's comments perhaps makes her a hero to the average LRC member, but to me and lot of people I know, she has placed a stain on her legacy.