Totally agree with this. She had a great shot at medaling at worlds if not winning the race, considering she has beaten Hassan this year. She is not a convicted doper although everyone always assumes so, and she's innocent until proven guilty (not nearly as many people suggest Hassan dopes even though Salazar is shady). Never understood all the negativity surrounding Dibaba as she has to have been tested more than anyone with all her world records.
Hot AF
sdkfoskdofoskfdo wrote:
she's innocent until proven guilty
This is baby-brained logic.
Individual human opinions are not crafted in accordance with the standards of a court of law. We observe phenomena, develop hypotheses and inferences, and modify ideas and feelings over time.
Discussing whether or not she can be "proven" guilty is just trotting out tired old epistemological skepticism. I mean, can you really definitively "prove" anything??
Even if we were to discuss this from a legal standpoint, she'll never be "proven" innocent/guilty/whatever, as corrupt and ineffective organizations like the IAAF and WADA seemingly have little incentive or drive to tackle the drug problem.
I believe she is doping, and would bet my life on it. The evidence is absolutely staggering. To ignore it is irresponsible, cowardly, and disingenuous.
sdkfoskdofoskfdo wrote:
Dibaba as she has to have been tested more than anyone with all her world records.
Where have I heard that one before?
Of course, she was doping and probably still is. Here we have Hermens, Pineda Sports, Jama Aden, a hotel room full of preloaded epo and steroids when she and her sister were at the Sabadell camp staying at the same hotel, and here she is visiting Healing Hans, Muller-Wohlfahrt, a doctor often implicated in doping but never taken down, and I hate to say this but she was going for a fast time at Zurich until she got injured. She is injured. Plantar fascia injuries can take an athlete out for six months or more. My key to avoiding them so far has been to do the clenching of the foot exercise every time I think of pf.
The WC without top athletes wrote:
It's going to be a boring Worlds - where's my remote and I'll watch football instead. ?
Anyone who takes the time to voluntarily choose to read a topic on the LRC message board, and then to post on that board, is a follower of distance running, and a devotee, and is not about to "watch football instead.". The WC without top athletes is going to be closely following the WC.
Somebody who is actually bored by this year's WC will be CHOOSING to be bored. That person is the type who also CHOOSES to be bored with the daily five mile run.
Every World Championship has been devoid of a few top athletes for a host of reasons. 2019 is little different than the past. There are always exciting races and results, with fresh blood stepping up to the challenge.
The upcoming WCs will be fantastic.
It just keeps getting better: Mo is officially out of Doha.
Have you ever had PF? Guess not...
It really sucks. And no, I am not saying that she is clean. But the reason is plausible.
sdkfoskdofoskfdo wrote:
She is not a convicted doper although everyone always assumes so,
Because her training group in Spain were caught red handed with a huge arsenal of PEDs (EPO, steroids, the works) at the hotel she was staying at.
Cyclling is a dirty sport and yet the Festina team were kicked out of the 1998 Tour de France when their physio was caught with a load of PEDs in the trunk of his car - and he was several hundred miles away from the Festina team bike riders at the time.
In comparison the IAAF had enough evidence to effectively ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life and their response was to do absolutely nothing and demonstrate their total apathy to doping in elite track and field.
just sayin wrote:
1 word
Drug testing and doorbells
This is exactly why.
Agreed
Do people not realize everytime they trot out the "shes never failed a drug test and she's been tested more than any other athlete on the circuit" that they are saying the exact same thing Lance Armstrong said? And it was true. No one was tested more than Lance and he never failed once. Guess we can say he was clean and it was all a witch hunt because we decided he was just too good.
Oh wait.
If any coach I was associated with got caught with a huge ass cache of banned substances I would drop him hard and publicly. At least to save my own image.
And track is dirty v dirtier v dirtiest. Screw that. Who knows how few people but there are clean people who are missing out on careers cause of cheaters.
True fact: Lance failed several tests.
doping watcher wrote:
Because her training group in Spain were caught red handed with a huge arsenal of PEDs (EPO, steroids, the works) at the hotel she was staying at.
Cyclling is a dirty sport and yet the Festina team were kicked out of the 1998 Tour de France when their physio was caught with a load of PEDs in the trunk of his car - and he was several hundred miles away from the Festina team bike riders at the time.
In comparison the IAAF had enough evidence to effectively ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life and their response was to do absolutely nothing and demonstrate their total apathy to doping in elite track and field.
^This! We need to get rid of the corrupt IAAF leadership, or nothing will change.
Armstrong? He did test positive, A and B, and the claim that he was the most tested (also made for not only Dibaba, but Rupp and Farah and of course now Coleman) was never proven. He had help from Plan-B-Saugy, UCI, and got ignored by USADA until 2010ish.
rekrunner wrote:
True fact: Lance failed several tests.
And these results were effectively swept under the carpet except for the cortisone positive in the 1999 tour which was chalked up to using a cream for saddle sores (this story was later shown to be a lie).
I think you are confused as to what evidence is available to the IAAF. Several corrections are in order: "Her training group" was not caught red-handed. Only the Saudi-physio Ouarid Mounir and athlete Musaeb Balla were caught in possession of EPO. With respect to having enough evidence, Aden was caught with injectable vitamins, and Dibaba was tested and tested negative. This was the status pretty much from Day 1, and little has changed since then, except the folklore retelling of the bust over the years. The IAAF, rather than doing "absolutely nothing", have launched proceedings and appeals against Balla, and, I guess due to general public apathy in real world doping cases at letsrun, it went largely unnoticed that CAS have already found him guilty back in June, and handed Balla a 4-year ban. It appears to date, by all public accounts, and implicitly by lack of IAAF action, that the IAAF does not have enough evidence to ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life, but did have enough evidence to sanction Balla for 4 years. If you want to talk about "effective bans", it seems Aden's status and career as a coach, has been severely hampered by the Sabadell bust, despite no criminal finding connected to providing WADA-banned substances to any athletes, and despite a lack of any provisional suspension or ban from the IAAF. Dibaba has similarly been vocally shunned by her competitors.
doping watcher wrote:
sdkfoskdofoskfdo wrote:
She is not a convicted doper although everyone always assumes so,
Because her training group in Spain were caught red handed with a huge arsenal of PEDs (EPO, steroids, the works) at the hotel she was staying at.
Cyclling is a dirty sport and yet the Festina team were kicked out of the 1998 Tour de France when their physio was caught with a load of PEDs in the trunk of his car - and he was several hundred miles away from the Festina team bike riders at the time.
In comparison the IAAF had enough evidence to effectively ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life and their response was to do absolutely nothing and demonstrate their total apathy to doping in elite track and field.
rekrunner wrote:
I think you are confused as to what evidence is available to the IAAF.
Several corrections are in order:
"Her training group" was not caught red-handed. Only the Saudi-physio Ouarid Mounir and athlete Musaeb Balla were caught in possession of EPO. With respect to having enough evidence, Aden was caught with injectable vitamins, and Dibaba was tested and tested negative.
This was the status pretty much from Day 1, and little has changed since then, except the folklore retelling of the bust over the years.
The IAAF, rather than doing "absolutely nothing", have launched proceedings and appeals against Balla, and, I guess due to general public apathy in real world doping cases at letsrun, it went largely unnoticed that CAS have already found him guilty back in June, and handed Balla a 4-year ban.
It appears to date, by all public accounts, and implicitly by lack of IAAF action, that the IAAF does not have enough evidence to ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life, but did have enough evidence to sanction Balla for 4 years.
If you want to talk about "effective bans", it seems Aden's status and career as a coach, has been severely hampered by the Sabadell bust, despite no criminal finding connected to providing WADA-banned substances to any athletes, and despite a lack of any provisional suspension or ban from the IAAF. Dibaba has similarly been vocally shunned by her competitors.
doping watcher wrote:
Because her training group in Spain were caught red handed with a huge arsenal of PEDs (EPO, steroids, the works) at the hotel she was staying at.
Cyclling is a dirty sport and yet the Festina team were kicked out of the 1998 Tour de France when their physio was caught with a load of PEDs in the trunk of his car - and he was several hundred miles away from the Festina team bike riders at the time.
In comparison the IAAF had enough evidence to effectively ban Dibaba, Aden, and all of his training group for life and their response was to do absolutely nothing and demonstrate their total apathy to doping in elite track and field.
Boo hoo, Aden and Dibaba are the victims.
Your attitude is part of the reason why the sport is dead. Be very proud.
rekrunner wrote:
True fact: Lance failed several tests.
Link rekrunner? (other than the corticosteroid positive that was backdated with a TUE for saddle sores).
My attitude is to clarify what are the facts as they stand today. I think my attitude of staying connected to reality is not killing the sport, and by jumping on an emotional bandwagon, it will not save the sport.
trollism wrote:
Boo hoo, Aden and Dibaba are the victims.
Your attitude is part of the reason why the sport is dead. Be very proud.
rekrunner wrote:
My attitude is to clarify what are the facts as they stand today. I think my attitude of staying connected to reality is not killing the sport, and by jumping on an emotional bandwagon, it will not save the sport.
trollism wrote:
Boo hoo, Aden and Dibaba are the victims.
Your attitude is part of the reason why the sport is dead. Be very proud.
People like sports.
You shouldn't ruin sports.
Stop ruining sports.