PS, weren't you in WRC at some time? I think I've seen your name on some list there.
PS, weren't you in WRC at some time? I think I've seen your name on some list there.
Yes. I'd have to find the booklet for a complete description but the idea was to accelerate gradually every fifty yards until your middle sections were close to top speed and then you'd decelerate each fifty yards and were back at your distance run's pace. All the accelerations happened in a half mile.
HRE
Thanks for reminding me. I have my Greater Boston Runners do these "pickup" so now I remember where I first got the idea a long time ago. Osler made a valuable contribution to running at a time when it was necessary.
Tom
spicer wrote:
malmo wrote:
I haven't denigrated Oslers intellect or ability. Both are clearly accurately displayed by Joe Hendersons article.
You however, became triggered when I said I didnt know who he was, and offered my lack of confirmation to the article from the OP s link. Once enraged you proceeded on a campaign of personal insults.
Take a deep breath. Everyone doesn't have to agree with you.
You don't usually use "hobbyjogger" as a compliment.
"By the time I graduated from high school I was already a much more experienced runner than he was".
Given that Osler won a national championship at 30k in 1967, your claim seems denigratory to me.
So why not instead just be happy that you may have learned something about the history of long-distance running in the US?
I am going to print out the pdf. from the link provided.above.
A high school kid who at 17yo had already run much faster times, and had a much more varied trainng exposure than a grown man can say he's a much more experienced runner. Yes I can say that, and so can many others. Dont be angry about it.
Do you have the results of that 30k? Was it a real national championship or was it one of those RRCA races that were marginally popular back in the day? The results would say a lot. Thank you.
FWIW Hobbyjogger isnt a pejorative, it's a category. They are recreational runners who still like to compete. That sounds like a good thing to me. There is nothing wrong with being a hobbyjogger.
HRE wrote:
PS, weren't you in WRC at some time? I think I've seen your name on some list there.
Yes I ran in a WRC uni when I attempted to run down Boston Billy's 15k record, falling three seconds short.
If you have a copy of this booklet could you loan it to me or scan it? I think you have my email address.
malmo wrote:
HRE wrote:
PS, weren't you in WRC at some time? I think I've seen your name on some list there.
Yes I ran in a WRC uni when I attempted to run down Boston Billy's 15k record, falling three seconds short.
If you have a copy of this booklet could you loan it to me or scan it? I think you have my email address.
Sorry. I don't have anything from the WRC. I think I saw your name on a list on the club's website.
On another note, that 30 km was probably more regional than national but taking down Lou Castagnola was no small feat. I'll see if I can track down results.
I can't get the results from that 1967 30 km to copy so I can't paste it. But there were some decent road runner names from that era in the race. There were no Van Nelsons or Gerry Lindgrens. There were two guys who had or would run in the Pan Am Games Marathon, Jim Green, who I believe was the silver medallist in 1959, and Jim McDonagh who would make the team a couple months after the 30 km, Bob Fitts who would win the national marathon championship a few years later, though that too, was probably more a regional race than a true national one, and Castagnola who would run 2:17 a month later.
HRE wrote:
malmo wrote:
Yes I ran in a WRC uni when I attempted to run down Boston Billy's 15k record, falling three seconds short.
If you have a copy of this booklet could you loan it to me or scan it? I think you have my email address.
Sorry. I don't have anything from the WRC. I think I saw your name on a list on the club's website.
On another note, that 30 km was probably more regional than national but taking down Lou Castagnola was no small feat. I'll see if I can track down results.
I was talking about the Osler booklet not something from WRC. My curiousity is piqued. I guess I can just download the pdf and print it out.
Oh! That booklet. Let me see what I can find.
Refreshing to read information from pioneers like Tom Osler. Sometimes in the modern age, where training advice and training systems exist in abundance, it is refreshing to go back to some basic principles. Oslers conclusion reminds me of Ritzenheins (?) quote that a solid aerobic foundation is the basis of everything and only a few weeks of specialty is needed to get the last percentages of performance. For us non-professional folks this could really mean that 'just running' and some strides is all that is needed for the majority of time and we shouldn't always repeat specific cycle after specific cycle with fast intervals multiple times a week if our goal race is longer than a mile.
Since im not a genius, this also took me at least 5 years to realize.
I should have gone to bed ages ago but you got me onto a quest to see where I'd put the booklet. I found it. Tomorrow I'll see if I can scan the whole thing.
Derderian wrote:
HRE
Thanks for reminding me. I have my Greater Boston Runners do these "pickup" so now I remember where I first got the idea a long time ago. Osler made a valuable contribution to running at a time when it was necessary.
Tom
Agreed. That's why I thought it was time to write something about him that younger runners could see. We actually had a project going to reprint "conditioning..." and put it on sale again. That never seemed to get off the ground.
HRE wrote:
Derderian wrote:
HRE
Thanks for reminding me. I have my Greater Boston Runners do these "pickup" so now I remember where I first got the idea a long time ago. Osler made a valuable contribution to running at a time when it was necessary.
Tom
Agreed. That's why I thought it was time to write something about him that younger runners could see. We actually had a project going to reprint "conditioning..." and put it on sale again. That never seemed to get off the ground.
Reading this thread and some of the running books threads makes me wish someone could get the rights to the good, classic, out-of-print running books and get them set up on some type of publish on demand platform (for people that like to feel a book in their hands -- like me) AND ebook platform (for people that like that). I fear that a lot of these resources are going to be lost.
I 100% agree. I see way to many people on this forum and more casual places like RunnersWorld sweating bullets over borderline-autistic training plans when, simply by statistics, most of them would aren't in the position to reap all of the benefits from them in the first place. 99.9% of people, even the ones on this forum, would probably benefit more from Osler or a basic Summer of Malmo over specified training advice. We take the basics for granted to the point where a ton of us don't actually follow them, myself included. I've met hundreds of runners throughout my years and without fail the ones that seem the most consistently successful and the ones that seem the happiest regardless of degree of success are the guys who believe in the basics over the gimmicks.
Salazar and Beardsley could have both used a dose of Oslerian wisdom.
Since most of the glory years guys fizzled by early 30s there's probably a couple more too.
The mileage one intrigues me. I think it's about mindset tho. I remember seeing Jake or Zane say they don't count mile or aren't beholden to a set number each week. I think that's a good outlook but that doesn't mean they aren't running 100+ every week when they're in full training. If you're at the top end you're still going to be logging mega miles. If you're a weekend warrior I think sometimes maybe there's a worry to have to hit 60 instead of 59 for the week which doesn't matter at the end of the day.
malmo wrote:
HRE wrote:
Sorry. I don't have anything from the WRC. I think I saw your name on a list on the club's website.
On another note, that 30 km was probably more regional than national but taking down Lou Castagnola was no small feat. I'll see if I can track down results.
I was talking about the Osler booklet not something from WRC. My curiousity is piqued. I guess I can just download the pdf and print it out.
Check your emails. You should have the booklet now if the e-mail address I have for you is still good.