Al Jazeera uncovers doping among leading Kenyan athletes

You're right. Now that's news-worthy.

... that we all know that there's "doping among leading Kenyan athletes". So yes, no news at all.

Clutching at straws wrote:

Show me where Al Jazeera uncovers doping among leading Kenyan athletes.

In Kenya there is just too many good second tie runners to keep track of and it is extremely competitive. Therefore the incentive to dope. The top runners are getting tested all the time in and out of competition. It's the next level of runner the Kenya Federation does not have the resources to test. And you're talking about 100's of runners. Example: the 3rd fastest U.S. male marathoner to date this year is 2:12. In Kenya that would not even make the 100. This second tier group is not at the top but fast enough to earn some money placing in international marathon. You have 2:09 marathoners in Kenya with no professional contract. Let's hope Kenya can get a handle on it because they truly are the # 1 country in the would at distance running.

Alll wrote:

You can buy PEDs in every country so nothing new there

Not in the USA.

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a controlled substance and it is a federal crime to sell it without being prescribed by a physician and it is quite expensive.

TrackCoach wrote:

Alll wrote:

You can buy PEDs in every country so nothing new there

Not in the USA.

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a controlled substance and it is a federal crime to sell it without being prescribed by a physician and it is quite expensive.

I thought it was an uncontrolled prescription drug (e.g, NSAIDs, albuterol, PPIs, etc.) and not a controlled substance (Tramadol, Oxycodone, Vicodin, etc.).

Clutching at straws wrote:

Oh right, you're an expert on the 'Third World'.

Show me where Al Jazeera uncovers doping among leading Kenyan athletes. Seriously, show me.

What we have is somebody purporting to be a runner, saying that they have doped. We have somebody claiming to be a chemist, saying they've personally doped 6 runners. Why was the chemist sent to buy EPO? Surely, if he's a chemist and dishing it out, he has it readily available.

There's nothing uncovered here. Anybody could have banged out this guff, and you know it too.

So, despite the constant parade of doping busts in Kenya, Al Jazeera simply made it all up. There's no doping problem in Kenya. And why would a reputable non-Western news agency go to the lengths of fabricating a story - and lose its credibility in the process? Who has discredited the report? You don't accept it because it isn't what you wish to believe.

Let's get to the bottom of this wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Not in the USA.

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a controlled substance and it is a federal crime to sell it without being prescribed by a physician and it is quite expensive.

I thought it was an uncontrolled prescription drug (e.g, NSAIDs, albuterol, PPIs, etc.) and not a controlled substance (Tramadol, Oxycodone, Vicodin, etc.).

This. EPO is Rx-only in the US, not a controlled substance.

LoneStarXC wrote:

Let's get to the bottom of this wrote:

I thought it was an uncontrolled prescription drug (e.g, NSAIDs, albuterol, PPIs, etc.) and not a controlled substance (Tramadol, Oxycodone, Vicodin, etc.).

This. EPO is Rx-only in the US, not a controlled substance.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoetin_alfa

That's what I thought.

I watched the video. Where did they uncover doping among leading Kenyan athletes? I didn't see that part which is odd, considering it's the headline.

pojin wrote:

I watched the video. Where did they uncover doping among leading Kenyan athletes? I didn't see that part which is odd, considering it's the headline.

I agree, it's like they're taking credit for something that's already known.

They could have just read the 'currently banned/waiting to be banned' list on the AIU website and you can 'uncover' doping among leading Kenyan athletes without any expensive investigative journalism.

Alll wrote:

If it is so hard to dope, why this guy is still competing as clean athlete???

https://www.rsng.com/categories/movement-fuel/articles/harry-aikines-aryeetey-is-the-team-gb-sprinter-who-has-turned-muscle-into-explosive-power

You clearly don't know very much about doping or Harry AA. The guy is a genetic freak. He doesn't do weights because he just gets too heavy. He's been muscle bound since his junior days. If he could drop some muscle, he would. I wonder, too, what you're assuming he's taking? Size isn't a determinant of drug use. Try to focus your posts to save us the trouble of filling in (some) if the gaps in your knowledge.

LDoc wrote:

Alll wrote:

If it is so hard to dope, why this guy is still competing as clean athlete???

https://www.rsng.com/categories/movement-fuel/articles/harry-aikines-aryeetey-is-the-team-gb-sprinter-who-has-turned-muscle-into-explosive-power

You clearly don't know very much about doping or Harry AA. The guy is a genetic freak. He doesn't do weights because he just gets too heavy. He's been muscle bound since his junior days. If he could drop some muscle, he would. I wonder, too, what you're assuming he's taking? Size isn't a determinant of drug use. Try to focus your posts to save us the trouble of filling in (some) if the gaps in your knowledge.

Hi Harry!

So Harry is merely a genetic freak but no such thing exists in distance running talent - they are just dopers. Hilarious hypocrisy.

trollism wrote:

pojin wrote:

I watched the video. Where did they uncover doping among leading Kenyan athletes? I didn't see that part which is odd, considering it's the headline.

I agree, it's like they're taking credit for something that's already known.

They could have just read the 'currently banned/waiting to be banned' list on the AIU website and you can 'uncover' doping among leading Kenyan athletes without any expensive investigative journalism.

The video was a bit lightweight and brief for what it was claiming to have 'uncovered', but it did show a runner - allegedly one who 'trains with the top guys' in Iten - actually being injected with EPO and claiming that it was commonplace. It also claimed that they discovered it was still a piece of cake to get hold of EPO from the local pharmacies there.

Hopefully it was a preview video of a longer version that they have.

Also, surely the runner being interviewed after receiving an EPO injection could be identified? It showed the lower half of his face and his voice fairly clearly in the background.

Yeah, it didn't tell us much that most of us here already knew, but the more reports like this that are made by the media and the harder it is for the doping apologists to deny what's going on. Remember El K was still claiming that 'all the bad apples have been caught', and that the sale of EPO had been closed down in Iten and Eldoret.

Raddison wrote:

Clutching at straws now wrote:

Nothing is uncovered here. It's shoddy journalism. Who is the 'runner' admitting to doping? Why is the doctor's face blanked out? How do we know it's EPO? Pathetic.

No, no, you are missing the big story.

The big story is Coevett is referencing a non WASP news organization as a source of truthful, well researched information.

So what's a 'WASP' news organization - the BBC?

The big story is that the doping apologist scum here are still using the race card to deny the scale of the doping problem in Kenya that has nearly killed the sport.

Harry AA was born looking like this; he probably has a condition similar to Lopes-Schliep; his baby photos in the documentary from years ago were striking; his family seemed quite nice and supportive; his mass is probably a hindrance to faster times

I think you need to have a little word with yourself. Where have I said there isn't a doping problem in Kenya? (I can assure you, I'm a lot more up to speed on doping in Kenya than you'll ever be.) That said, the report was pathetic. Even Coevett has said as much.

Coevett wrote:

So what's a 'WASP' news organization - the BBC?.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.

Look it up on Wikipedia.

hahahaha this guy is CLEARLY on anabolics it's not even a question.