First transgender athlete June Eastwood to compete in women’s DI XC this fall, has pbs of 1:55/3:50/14:38

Honestly, this could and should be the catalyst for protecting women's athletics from being overrun by trannies.

ojsimpson wrote:

World class times wrote:

3:53 was run May 2018. A 14:46 5000m from April 2018. An 8:42 3000m from Feb 2018 and 14:38 5k from Jan 2018, 1:55 800 from 2016 (this Athlete could shut Semenya up about what’s fair.....).

That's actually a great idea.

To counter Semenya's argument that he is being targeted because he is black and other nonsense...

Why not send a full man to destroy that South African half-man?

Semenya may well have testosterone levels higher than this guy's pre-transition number.

Orwellian world continues to challenge logic and reason. If successful, give up sport as nothing but a freak show.

What a joke. Goes from being a mediocre male athlete, to being a shoo-in for an NCAA title or three. If Eastwood wants to identify as female, fine, but Eastwood shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women, because Eastwood has a totally unfair advantage.

I googled around a bit and couldn't find anything where it's stated there is no defined T limit. Do you have a link to such an article? Common sense would make you think there is a requirement.

rojo wrote:

If I was a 4:30 walkon dude struggling with huge student debt, it might be appealing. Go to some doctor, get the pills, act like you are taking them and then after a year just stop pretending. Maybe even flaunt the stupidity of it all by racing in tight spandex so everyone could see your junk.

Rojo.... this is really stupid.

You know how difficult it is to be trans ? You can’t just wake up one day and get on hormones. It RUINS you if you’re a guy. It wrecks with your brain to be on that much estrogen. And then to have to life your life according to that gender?

It isn’t a costume, man.

ojsimpson wrote:

Only Trump can stop this liberal madness.

We need him 4 more years folks. #Trump2020

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1100384478894149633

Regardless of whether he is right or wrong on any particular issue, Don Jr is a POS.

rojo wrote:

If I was a 4:30 walkon dude struggling with huge student debt, it might be appealing. Go to some doctor, get the pills, act like you are taking them and then after a year just stop pretending. Maybe even flaunt the stupidity of it all by racing in tight spandex so everyone could see your junk.

And add a codpiece to put an exclamation to the display.

Viking21 wrote:

Semenya may well have testosterone levels higher than this guy's pre-transition number.

No. She doesn’t. She has internal testes. Those are usually A) malformed and B) kept at a higher temperature than XY men (which isn’t ideal.) Super unlikely she even has the same amount of testosterone as the average man.

1) Good suggestion. I made it registered only

2) No the rules aren't like that at all.

As I wrote earlier this year. The NCAA transgender handbook states that an MTF transgender athlete must take “one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment” in order to compete in the women’s category, but the vagueness of that statement is remarkable. There is no mention of a minimum testosterone level that must be achieved or a minimum level of medication that must be taken nor any independent verification.

There is no independent verification, no minimum T level, nothing. You could literally have a note from a doctor saying you were on T treatment for a year and flush the pills down the toilet and be fine. Then for your final 3-4 of college depending if you redshirt, you could take no treatment at all. It simply says one calendar year. You do not have to continually do it after that.

When I corresponded with the NCAA this spring about this, I concluded my final email to them (we had many back and forth) as follows, "And I'll assume there is no independent verification of testosterone suppression? And I'll also assume that an athlete could reduce it their testosterone for one year and then cycle off for their final 3-4 years of college."

That is a logical reading of their transgender handbook and they never wrote back to correct me.

In a previous email to me, I think even the person writing me realized how indefensible their policy is as they wrote, "The NCAA does not have a maximum testosterone level for its current policy. The current policy is being reviewed by our membership. "

That last sentence to me made me think they are trying to come up with a better rule.

What I don't like about this is the lack of truthfulness by all of the institutions involved with this. Why doesn't her bio say, "Competed for the men's track team from 2016-2018." I mean in any other bio, it would list the other sports they played at that institution. It's an absolute joke.

When CeCe Telfer won her national title, the school celebrated it like they would any other athletes but completely left out the fact that she was on the men's team and mediocre for 3 years. You shouldn't be allowed to be profiled in an NCAA Magazine and go on ESPN as a transgender activist and yet then try to hide away from that fact in your bio.

They schools are on the one hand trying to celebrate how diverse and open minded they are but clearly realize these people have huge genetic advantages as they hide key facts from their bios.

Total joke,.

June, if you are reading this, please realize I'm happy that you are being true to yourself. I can only imagine how difficult it must be to be a new adult feeling as if they are the wrong gender. I'm sure it has been far from easy, but please realize there is no human right to play Division 1 sports.

Biology is sexist. People born XY are better at sports than XX at the elite level. Period. Go run recreationally. Or at a minimum, voluntarily limit yourself to at least the IAAF minimums of 5 nmol and let us monitor with out of competition testing. I'll raise the money to do it. I'm dead serious.

Well I'm not sure I actually agree with that being allowed but it's WAY WAY WAY better than the alternative of what the NCAA allows now but I'll consider funding it and paying for all the tests if you email me.

PS. Here is my earlier article on CeCe Telfer.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I googled around a bit and couldn't find anything where it's stated there is no defined T limit. Do you have a link to such an article? Common sense would make you think there is a requirement.

You can't find what doesn't exist. Unless someone can point to a definite T level requirement then I'll assume there isn't one. If there were it would be listed along with the rules that someone posted.

I spent days on this this spring. One June 21st, their Associate DIrector, Public adn Media Relations specifically told me, "The NCAA does not have a maximum testosterone level for its current policy. The current policy is being reviewed by our membership."

I then wrote back the following.

I never received anything back so my assumptions are correct.

I predict that this will be the final straw.

Dwightarm wrote:

rojo wrote:

If I was a 4:30 walkon dude struggling with huge student debt, it might be appealing. Go to some doctor, get the pills, act like you are taking them and then after a year just stop pretending. Maybe even flaunt the stupidity of it all by racing in tight spandex so everyone could see your junk.

Rojo.... this is really stupid.

You know how difficult it is to be trans ? You can’t just wake up one day and get on hormones. It RUINS you if you’re a guy. It wrecks with your brain to be on that much estrogen. And then to have to life your life according to that gender?

It isn’t a costume, man.

Regardless of how difficult it is, the essence of sport is not about IDENTITY but about biology, hence Title IX and gender separation in the first place. That is why there is a separate sports classification for women. It's not because of identity differences but is about biological differences.

If the NCAA had to follow IAAF's rulings on testosterone, I think it'd be fine.

Otherwise... there is simply too much room for someone to take advantage of this.

XX women should be able to compete freely against each other.

Dr Taboo wrote:

FALSE!

"A trans female (MTF) transgender student-athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to

gender transition may not compete on a women’s team."

Stop. The rules are a joke. Stop embarrassing yourself.

There is no independent verification of it. CeCe's coach told me they were very much on their own.

It's a joke really. If I take one birth control pill every six months, technically I'm on hormone treatments. But I don't really have to take them. As long as I have a doctor saying I'm on them, I'm good to go.

I think it may be more difficult to change your citizenship, perhaps even schools, and run for your new country/university than it is to "change" from male to female and start running against women.

This is a joke.

How cool would it be if June was actually an old school feminist who was doing this to make a mockery of the policy? Doing gender studies as they truly care about women having a chance to be elite athletes and doing this to expose how crazy it is.

I think the odds of this are like in a million but we can always hope.

June, if you are reading this, and you insist on competing, please barely take any T suppressants. I want you to DOMINATE.

To everyone mentioning Team USA, she would have to prove her levels were below the limit for a year, which may or may not be the case.

We have no idea what she has been doing the past year, both in terms of training and in terms of hormone therapy and possible surgeries.

If she does dominate as a woman, that definitely could push the NCAA to adopt the same policies as the IAAF as far as having to be below a specific testosterone level for a year.

But it is also possible that she has gone through significant hormone therapy and will not be running anywhere near the times she ran as a man.