Matthew Boling: future world-class sprinter?

Seahorn ran a 4.60 at the combine that is slow for a cornerrback, now give me another white cornerback, ya can't.

Deion Sanders 10.26

James Trapp 10.14

Darrell Green 10.08

Clarence Childs 9.5

Mel Renfro 13.7/25-10/9.6

Henry Carr 9.3/Oly 200m gold

Lenny Lyles 9.5

Lawrence Johnson 9.4

Virgil Liver 9.5

Terrence Newman 10.20

Totally different deal there.

Good read!

Key word was.....Most.

For every Devin Quinn we have....Kevin Little, Livio Berruti, Jerry Bright, Mark Lutz, Tom Jones.

We have seen far more white sprinters in the world mix at 200m than in the 100m, and that goes back to the days of Jesse Owens.

Look at Olympic gold medalist Kenteris, he was a 10.18 100m cat but a 19.8ish 200 man. If the guy runs both sprints "most" the times he will fare better at 200, history has proven this.

Ok. So you acknowledge that you can't just observe things anecdotally and apply them to the topic of this post: Boling. Boling MAY WELL end up a better 100 guy than 200 guy. We can't box him up based on preconceived notions. The history of white people in sprints doesn't mean SQUAT to Bolings individual situation: he just needs to train right, train smart, stay motivated, and give his best effort. Then he let the cards fall where they may.

It's not like I'm rooting AGAINST him as a 200 guy. But, I've seen his vids. His starting ability in no way EXPLICITLY rules him out as a 100 player in the future. He's got enough pop to not look bad out of the blocks. The foundation for his form is already decent enough that plenty can be built up from it. He may have huge space for improvement...or maybe not. The question is, what's his overall potential for acceleration, peek acceleration, and holding onto that speed?

I mean, hell, if you watch Lyles run against other 100 guys: his form ain't that bad but he lacks a certain POP. But he's still a 100 threat (maybe even the absolute heir apparent with the Coleman news today). So....let him run the distance and see what his SKILL SET decides, not his skin color.

It's all moot if he tops out as a 10.05/20.10 guy at age 22/26 anyway. I mean, that's good, but debating whether hes a 1 or 2 guy would be pretty comical. Unless all the doping BS gets everyone to regress a ton, but after Gatlin we got....Bolt...so, basic 20.1/10.0x just ain't gonna be what they were in the 70s and early 80s anymore.

I'd still trade places with him, though, even if that was his max.

The guy might never run another 200m, I was just talking about "most" white sprinters have been more successful at 200m than in the 100m.

Track and Field News has their World Rankings, since 2000 they have ranked two white sprinters in the 100m that being Gemili and LeMaitre, they have ranked six white sprinters in the 200m, those two and Hession, Kenteris, Unger, Guliyev.

We have seen Kenteris/Guliyev win the Olympic and Worlds 200m. When was the last time a white sprinter won those golds in a 100m?

Boling has that 400 endurance, he has that 100m speed, so it's very realistic to think he goes the way of most white sprinters, that would be 200/100.

Whatley wrote:

The guy might never run another 200m, I was just talking about "most" white sprinters have been more successful at 200m than in the 100m.

Track and Field News has their World Rankings, since 2000 they have ranked two white sprinters in the 100m that being Gemili and LeMaitre, they have ranked six white sprinters in the 200m, those two and Hession, Kenteris, Unger, Guliyev.

We have seen Kenteris/Guliyev win the Olympic and Worlds 200m. When was the last time a white sprinter won those golds in a 100m?

Boling has that 400 endurance, he has that 100m speed, so it's very realistic to think he goes the way of most white sprinters, that would be 200/100.

Guliyev won a worlds gold because Lyles popped a hammy. Kenteris is drug cheat who, can you guess? He won an Olympic gold because Greene and Johnson popped hammys while trash talking each other.

Was Kevin Little even that much better in the 2 than the 1? Little.made his name in INDOOR 200s. Outdoor was he even really able to do much of anything in either distance.

What does Bobby Morrow do to your theories? A cursory look at his numbers has him at 10.2 over 100 and 20.6 over 200. He sounds like me...

LeMaitre could have been a better 100 than he panned out to be. In my opinion he's a terrible example of your theory.

Maybe the reason there are a few more white guys in the 200 rankings and such than the 100 is because their coaches propagate the same myth you do, either as an inherent bias or otherwise, and don't help them thrive and reach their potential over 100. In high school my coach said I'd be better over 200 than 100 because of my poor start....and he was an idiot.

That 20.6 for Morrow was a WR, something he did three times.

15 white sprinters have medaled in the Olympic 200m since 1932, 9 have medaled in the 100m.

Kevin Little was far better at 200 than in a 100m.

Kenteris also won the Worlds 200m.

Guliyev has ran a 19.7ish 200m which is superior to his 9.9ish.

LeMiatre far more accomplished at 200m tan in a 100m, forget.....shoulda.

Are you familar with.....

Roland Locke a 20.6 in 1926

Allen Woodring....Oly gold

Jackson Sholtz.....0ly gold

Thane Baker

Livio Burruti....Oly gold

Ben Vaughn

Forest Beatty....200 straight WR in HS

Geir Mohen

Hal Davis

Larry Questad

Mark Lutz

Jerry Bright

Pietro Mennea

Tom Jones

Peter Norman

.......well?

History has proven that white sprinters have done more in the 200m than the 100m, that is a fact.

Kevin Little

Competition record

Year Competition Venue Position Event Notes

Representing the United States

1989 World Indoor Championships Budapest, Hungary 3rd 200 m 21.12

1991 Pan American Games Havana, Cuba 2nd 200 m 20.63

1993 World Indoor Championships Toronto, Canada 3rd 200 m 20.72

1995 World Championships Gothenburg, Sweden 16th (qf) 200 m 20.60

1997 World Indoor Championships Paris, France 1st 200 m 20.40

World Championships Athens, Greece 11th (sf) 200 m 20.57

1999 World Indoor Championships Maebashi, Japan 3rd 200 m 20.48

World Championships Seville, Spain 6th 200 m 20.37

2001 World Indoor Championships Lisbon, Portugal 1st (sf) 200 m 20.73[a]

World Championships Edmonton, Canada 7th 200 m 20.25

Goodwill Games Brisbane, Australia 7th 200 m 20.90

No 100m even mentioned.

You know the names of a many current and former sprinters.

I stated much of these performances may be cultural.

You never explained if there is a black sprinter gene, why are not sub-Sarahan black Africans clearly superior sprinters to blacks in western hemisphere.

Someone like Miruts Yifter. A man with 48.xx 400m speed but trained as a 5000m/10000m runner his entire career. If Yifter had been adopted at birth by an African-American family on southside of Chicago, Yifter, you know would have either been a 400m specialist or a 400m/800m man. You are 100% ignoring cultural influences for blacks in western hemisphere to sprint and ignoring cultural reasons, white kids are no longer sprinting.

So you are telling me if white kids wanted to sprint they would be just as fast? How about size with speed?

Like I mentioned they sprint in Russia, Poland, Germany, so why is it those countries can't run with tiny Trinidad and Jamaica?

Trinidad has had about a half dozen sub 10.00 sprinters, how many has Russia, Poland, Germany had combined, try....0.

It doesn;'t matter what white athletes do, they simply don't have that size with speed or that sub 9.90/19.70 ability.

There were far more white sprinters in 1936 than black ones, so how did Jesse Owens and Ralph Metcalf win the gold/silver in the 100m? Why was Bob Hayes so far superior to everything that had come before him? Same with Tommie Smith.

Why fight it when it's so obvious when it comes to sprinting those with roots to western Africa are superior.

How can anyone possibly deny that sprinting is dominated by men whose ancestry traces to Western sub Saharan Africa?

The 100m more than the 200m.

This does not mean that it is impossible for a sprinter like Matt Boling to become a world class 100m sprinter.

What is this thread even about anymore? It seems like it's just some new guy named Watley posting stuff he copied from some other website. Boring.

Whatley is annoying AF.

Here's the easy answer Whatley. Why do white guys appear in more "finals" and season rankings in the 200 than in the 100? Because the 200 is soft on the back end compared to the 100, that's why.

Quick takes in support of my argument? I'll use the two I spoke about already. Bobby Morrow ran 10.2 over 100, but also had the 200 world record (apparently, I haven't backed up your claim so I'm just going with what you said) at 20.6. 20.6 is SOFT compared to 10.2, and he even WON and set RECORDS with it.

Also, in regards to Kevin Little. You rattled off a bunch of his 20.50s/20.60s/20.70s to support your case. I'm not going to go dig for it, but from what I remember I believe he had a 10.14 100m PR. So, your own example makes a case for MY point: the 200 was a less deep event, Little saw that, so he went and won indoor races internationally (back when indoor still had some niche name recognition for a hot minute) and stuck with the distance because he could slip into finals at championship meets with 20.50s, but even a faster equivalent 100m dash would barely make semis, it maybe not at all

It's not so much that "whites" are better over 200 than 100. Its that's they are opportunistic. They typically have burgeoning sprint careers and, in an attempt to make it, they make a point to stick around the 200 where 20.40s and 20.60s could still get you lane 2 at a world championships.

God, you go on and on about all these names. Hell, I might have been faster than some of those guys and you don't know MY name. These names mean nothing, and I know that because mine means nothing. And it's because they were probably "succeeding" in rankings or making finals or some bologna in the 200 during their eras, but no one remembers them because they dont even remember the 4th place finisher of the 100m dash during their eras, which is the crown jewel event. It's the crown jewel event which means EVERYONE goes for it, whereas the 200 can often fall to the wayside for the "tweener" sprinters. So, it becomes a less deep event. And then a few more white guys with less than memorable careers take up a few more championship finals spots here and there.

Kudos to them, but...that is not proof that they were statistically, individually better, over 200 than 100. Just that their 20.55 could get them into a semifinal or final even internationally, but their 10.20 weeded them out of even the first round perhaps even nationally. 10.20 is better than 20.55, as far as I'm concerned. That's probably Kevin Little's whole career arch right there and he probably just quit entering over 100 to maximize his chances to exploit the softer 200 event.

Pretty damn obvious wrote:

How can anyone possibly deny that sprinting is dominated by men whose ancestry traces to Western sub Saharan Africa?

The 100m more than the 200m.

This does not mean that it is impossible for a sprinter like Matt Boling to become a world class 100m sprinter.

I do not agree with David Epstein and Sport Gene, but he was making a strong case for Kenyan, specifically Rift Valley Kenyans, specifically Maasai Warriors as the best 800m runners in the world due to genes. One can see U.S. blacks can try hard, but for genetic or cultural reasons, men like Duane Solomon, Johnny Gray, Mark Everett, James Robinson and Donavan Brazier just are not at that Maassai Warrior 800m level. At the same time, posters are trying to state mixed race individuals in western hemisphere who identify as black are genetically superior due to African heritage in sprints. If sprinting is due to west African genes, not one poster has stated why black Africans are not clearly the best sprinters in the world. Poster, you are implying a black sprinting gene then you are at the same time stating Matt Boling may be a great 100m sprinter.

I don't care about the why, the reality is yes we do see more white sprinters being successful in the 200m than the 100m. More major medals won, more world ranked. faster times.

All the names I've mentioned are just examples to prove that yes we do find mire white sprinters in the 200m, That way nobody can ask....who are you talking about?

Boling can split a 44.7, he has 10.13 jets, and he has ran a 20.31. So don't be surprised that by his soph season we aren't seeing him more a 200m man. We see this all the time with white sprinter, they do think they can be more successful there and history has proven that is a fact.

Ptobably been here longer than you have and everything I talk about is from experience, got into track around 1960. Been a Track & Field News subscriber since 1966 until the mag went digital. A history buff.

Nigeria has had about a dozen sub10,00 sprinters, the rest of western Africa about half a dozen. Now compare that to Asia white Europe.

How can anyone not see who dominates world class sprinting, it;s not those from Poland or Germany or Russia or China, it's those with western African roots.

This would be the All Time 100m

lane

1.Yohan Blake.....Jamaica

2.Christian Coleman...African American

3.Asafa Powell....Jamaica

4.Justin Gatlin...African American

5.Usain Bolt....Jamaica

6.Mo Greene....African American

7.Tyson Gay...African American

8.Carl Lewis....African American

"B"

lane

1.Bob Hayes.....African American

2.Linford Christie....born in Jamaica

3.Leroy Burrell....African American

4.Donovan Bailey...born in Jamaica

5.Jim Hines...African American

6.Frankie Fredericks.....Namibia

7.Ato Boldon....Trinidad

8.Bruny Surin....born in Haiti

What does that tell us?

Your historical lists are great. Keep it up.

On the comparison of Florida and Texas to Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Dakotas, Montana, and Colorado, the first two have 40 million plus people and year-round training.

You honestly don't understand how it is possible that one white sprinter can be world class in a sport dominated by blacks?

You honestly don't think black men dominate sprinting?

You honestly don't think that becoming a world class sprinter depends on your genetic gifts?

What is obvious is that you are world class in your ability to ignore the obvious.

Many descendants of ex-slaves. That is what I see. I see a possible common sprint culture. Even within United States, there are difference in sprinting productivity. Much of it can be attributed to culture. Why does IL seem to produce more 100m & 200m sprinters than does NY, even though NY state is much larger in population? Why does CA seem to produce so many great athletes, 200m to 800m? There has to be a cultural angle. You still have not explained why Africans in Africa do not dominate sprinting as do Massai Warriors in 800m. You still have not explained why Africans in Africa do not dominate sprinting as do many Ethiopian and Kenyan Marathoners. I have a hard time nailing it down to a gene for Ethiopean and Kenyan Marathoners, even though both nations produce great Marathoners,. Ethiopians and Kenyans look so different in appearance. Note: I have noticed that you prefer to leave Andre de Grasse off of your lists. de Grasse does not fit your narrative.