It seems that conditions were tough for many runners in the middle distances. Even Chepkoech above 9:00...
800m W well above 2:00 despite decent pacing, so-so pacing (second lap too slow and only up to 800) in the women's mile with some runners struggling or running well above PB. (It's also rare too see Klosterhalfen visibly exhausted.)
Very cool finish by English in the M 800m.
Dwayne wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Here we go, 7 min away
Good job we have you on permanent watch, having rivetting conversations with yourself for our benefit. No possibility that the rest of us are equally capable of watching the event on television, streaming it, or using Google to find out the results. Can’t wait for the next thrilling countdown of your top 20 choices of what you are going to have for your dinner, debating the options with yourself. Seriously, Mods ?
I read most statman posts. It seems like lots of people log on here to devolve into whiny bickering children but Im here because I love the sport of running and he offers excellent information. I just wish I was as knowledgable to be able to join in the discussion with him.
Coevett wrote:
spot on, as always wrote:
Nobody is sarcastic.
Burgin won (the battle of the last two). Yeah, Kenyan 800m runners are going backwards - despite the fact that the sole Kenyan today finished ahead of the six British contenders. In the 1500m, the Brits got the first four places (of the last eight). The best of these all-time greats still finished six seconds behind the 3rd rate Kenyan Tuwei.
Oh O.K, trying to pi$$ on a 17 year old incredible talent because you don't like a poster on this board.
I see.
Burgin is a great talent. Still far from the top at the moment.
Five of the top ten 800m runners this season are Kenyan - but all are going backwards? Can you explain, please.
Jo72 wrote:
It seems that conditions were tough for many runners in the middle distances. Even Chepkoech above 9:00...
800m W well above 2:00 despite decent pacing, so-so pacing (second lap too slow and only up to 800) in the women's mile with some runners struggling or running well above PB. (It's also rare too see Klosterhalfen visibly exhausted.)
Very cool finish by English in the M 800m.
Conditions were crap. Blustery, bit of rain and bit cold. I kept my coat on the whole time.
That said, Chepkoech was chilling. She could have run 8:55 if she wanted.
Max Burgin did not look good today. Struggled to get involved from the start.
Engels contending until the last 50 meters and beating Tefera is impressive.
Coevett wrote:
You're surely not being sarcastic?
Shows what potential Max has if you think a 17 year old making his senior debut (and in a DL race) after missing several weeks with injury and taking the scalp of somebody that was supposed to be 'the next Rudisha' is a disappointment...well...
When you use that many “ands” to make your point, then you know he didn’t perform well.
It’s cool to see him on “the big stage” and I hope he does well, but he didn’t today.
As for “taking scalps”, Deng hasn’t broken 1:46.9 since March (about 6 attempts since then). Burgin should be aiming higher.
You can look it up wrote:
Just out of curiosity wrote:
Does anyone have the 1500 times?
It's in the race analysis:
https://livecache.sportresult.com/node/binaryData/ATH_PROD/BIRMINGHAM2019/PDF_ARE1140040.PDF?h=+2drDPAZaxgxl37KwGZvV9r26/E=
The first split was 109m so the last split was 1509m. Klosterhaulfen was probably around 4:01.9 at 1500m.
Stafford 4:02 high, Hull 4:05 low, McColgan 4:05 high and L Hall 4:06 low. (with McColgan and Hall eventually kicking past Hull).
These are very good times considering the conditions. They would have probably been right on their PR's with better conditions, and a more even first 2 laps (62.74/66.48).
Was at the meet and ran earlier in the day as well. Birmingham was very windy today and the stadium is open at both ends leading to wind being channelled through the track. The pole vaulters really struggled with it. Just look at the women's mile - Koko ran 4:19 indoors at Millrose and kept jogging round the track smiling and laughing. Today she runs 4:21 and can barely muster a smile for the camera. DeBues-Stafford ran 4:17 just over a month ago in Monaco but looked ragged with 200 to go with en route to 4:22.
A lot of respect for everyone competing out there today.
spot on, as always wrote wrote:
Five of the top ten 800m runners this season are Kenyan - but all are going backwards? Can you explain, please.
He constantly belittles the Kenyans.
This thread highlights what a sub-elite snoozefest this “DL” meet is.
The talking points have been a 3:35 1500m, a guy running 1:48, and KK running about her 5th best performance of the year to win easily.
That McSweyn guy looks kind of like Rupp, and runs kind of like him too.
These -Haufen Mädchen aus Deutschland are starting to get out of hand. How many will there be?
Of course this was a snooze fest. Only reason it's DL is because Coe.
Coevett wrote:
spot on, as always wrote:
Nobody is sarcastic.
Burgin won (the battle of the last two). Yeah, Kenyan 800m runners are going backwards - despite the fact that the sole Kenyan today finished ahead of the six British contenders. In the 1500m, the Brits got the first four places (of the last eight). The best of these all-time greats still finished six seconds behind the 3rd rate Kenyan Tuwei.
Oh O.K, trying to pi$$ on a 17 year old incredible talent because you don't like a poster on this board.
I see.
No one is pi$$ing on Max, dawg. He is a great talent and with great coaching/patience he will perform well on the world stage as a senior.
It's just kind of silly when you talk about him or any other younger European runner achieving things their results have not indicated (like were you joking when you talked about Kipchoge pacing Ingebrigtsen to a 5k WR???) and try to play it off like it isn't overt racism/nationalism. Your knowledge of running (At least as demonstrated by your posts) is just so obviously skewed toward younger white male runners, and the claims/predictions you make are tenuous at best.
But yeah, I don't really like your posts. I think that's a widely held sentiment by part of the board, and you need to separate people trolling you for making bad or hilarious predictions/suggestions from people disliking the runners you talk about. No one serious on this board wishes anything but Max and all young talents the best.
McSweyn is much taller than Rupp. Incredible talent who looks like he runs fast with ease.
He will likely be far better than Rupp 1500-5000. Already far better in the 1500/mile which is the premier track event for many.
ncrecuvuer wrote:
The first split was 109m so the last split was 1509m. Klosterhaulfen was probably around 4:01.9 at 1500m.
I'm pretty sure the splits are, as the sheet says, each 100m, with the last one being 109 meters. Otherwise, it's hard to make sense of the first and last splits.
If, as you say, the first split is really 109 meters, not 100 meters, then we need to adjust everyone's first split time down by 9%. If we do that, Klosterhalfen's first 100m time goes from 15.8 to 13.7. This by far her fastest 100m. It is way faster than her final 100m, which is 17.6. (17.6 is much slower than her penultimate 100m, which was 16.0 flat.) If, on the other hand, the sheet is correct, and the final split is for 109 meters, we need to adjust everyone's final split time down by 9%. If we do that, Klosterhalfen's final split goes from 17.5 to 16, which is in line with the her times.
This also means the 1500 meter times on the sheet are correct, and do not need to be adjusted down.
Bad Wigins wrote:
These -Haufen Mädchen aus Deutschland are starting to get out of hand. How many will there be?
As many as are needed. No more; no less.
ncrecuvuer wrote:
You can look it up wrote:
It's in the race analysis:
https://livecache.sportresult.com/node/binaryData/ATH_PROD/BIRMINGHAM2019/PDF_ARE1140040.PDF?h=+2drDPAZaxgxl37KwGZvV9r26/E=The first split was 109m so the last split was 1509m.
Nope. Not buying that unless everyone of these ladies slowed down dramatically the last 100 meter.
He did the math. He just did it wrong. And then he forgot to check his work to see if the answer he got made sense.
It didn't.
spot on, as always wrote:
Nobody is sarcastic.
Burgin won (the battle of the last two). Yeah, Kenyan 800m runners are going backwards - despite the fact that the sole Kenyan today finished ahead of the six British contenders. In the 1500m, the Brits got the first four places (of the last eight). The best of these all-time greats still finished six seconds behind the 3rd rate Kenyan Tuwei.
'The best of these all-time greats'? Chris O'Hare is having a bad season, no doubt, but when you're trying to put down a 17 year old kid (who, unlike '17 year old' Kenyan runners I and others might knock here, might well be reading this, as are their family and friends), then you really need to put up better arguments than Piers Copeland and Zak Seddon being all-time British greats who got thrashed by a 'third-rate Kenyan'.
At least ex-runner tried to make a sensible criticism.
Tuwei came last of the East Africans.
Have to admit though that the quality of this DL meeting was generally very poor. Still think it's the timing though rather than athletes not wanting to come to 'Brum'.
Dwayne wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Here we go, 7 min away
Good job we have you on permanent watch, having rivetting conversations with yourself for our benefit. No possibility that the rest of us are equally capable of watching the event on television, streaming it, or using Google to find out the results. Can’t wait for the next thrilling countdown of your top 20 choices of what you are going to have for your dinner, debating the options with yourself. Seriously, Mods ?
Hi Dwayne, nice to hear from you. You will not be happy to hear that in a few days, I will be starting a thread about the New York marathon. You won’t need to click on it because the title will explain what it is about and you can form your own opinions on the entrants of that event that is almost eleven weeks away. I’m not sorry to affect your enjoyment of this diamond league event because others don’t seem to mind my input, some even seem to enjoy it. I just like to explain if some people not as well informed as you may miss the finer details. I would enjoy debating with you and others your opinions on who you think may improve from previous performances or win events. Hope your day gets better than it was when you wrote.
If Birmingham loses DL status then Doha and Shanghai should go first. Alexander stadium was ar about 85% capacity yesterday, so coming up on 10,000 people. Crowd was active and vocal as opposed to mostly empty huge stadia in Shanghai and Doha which only have DL meets to help whitewash reputations of crummy governments. You're complaining about the women's mile? Rababe Arafi won in Shanghai in 4:01 for crying out loud and she's lost to DeBues-Stafford 5 times this year alone lol and GDS was a second behind Konstanze who was hurting in this one unlike when she stomped the Millrose field without breaking a sweat.
Birmingham is a weaker meet, hurt this year by the late worlds. It's annoying seeing Britain get two DL's and looks like Britihs favouritism, but at the end of the day the Brits show up. 10,000 yesterday, 20,000 odd back to back days in London. Also France effectively gets two (Paris, Monaco), Switzerland gets two (Lausanne, Zurich). Not crazy that the UK gets two.