Frenchie are you idiot, they've been trying the peaceful approach for the past 12 years. What next, beat him over the head with flowers? Boy, I wish you were in charge.
Frenchie are you idiot, they've been trying the peaceful approach for the past 12 years. What next, beat him over the head with flowers? Boy, I wish you were in charge.
Right on Texas George.
16x, there's your answer.
Yeah. I never said I hate the French. They have a history that makes them ripe for ribbing, but I certainly don't hate them. People have long said that Americans are arrogant, but I would turn that around and say that the French exhibit more of that kind of attitude than do Americans.
My statement in particular dealt with why I disagree with France's decision to not support an armed response to Iraq.
Israel a democracy, don't make me laugh, what we have in Israel is apartheid. Do you realsie that a palestinian born in Jerusalem cannot even have their birth registered in the city? Long term this will mean only Israelis will be allowed to live there, the palestinians have to register elsewhere and so cannot claim to be residents.
The Palestinians have their only resources detroyed by the Israelis as a matter of course, they cross the border into Palestinaian land and destroy Oilve and Tomato crops, one of the few Palestinian exports, and set up further Jewish settlements.
So teh Palestinians were celebrating on 9/11, ok this is a terrible reaction but you have to see it from the other side of the fence, every day their people are being killed in cold blood, many women and children by Israeli weapons which are directly supplied by the US. Are their lives not worth as much as American lives? These people are a nation without a govt. without an army, without weapons yet they are having to cope with military assaults froma super power. Israels actions are immoral and Suicide attacks are a natural reaction to the situation the palestinian youth find themselves in, a hopeless one craeted by israeli and US arrogance and ignorance. This is the problem whjich should have the worlds attention NOW not Iraq.
waz,
On Iran - that's easy - perhaps they're next. They are in the Axis of Evil afterall.
As far as failing on Bin Laden's followers, are you kidding? We just got the No. 3 man who was the mastermind behind all of their plots for years and he's singing like a canary. Victory is ours in that arena, and we're about to run up the score.
waz...what a ridiculous arguement of totally predictable leftist dribble. WHO is starving Iraqi children, while spending billions on WMD programs and elaborate palaces? Attacking Iraq for 12 years.....perhaps if they would refrain from targeting coalition aircraft flying in the U.N. sanctioned "no-fly" zone, we would not have to bomb their missle sites. MISSLE SITES....not schools! As far as AL Queda,that war continues quietly, behind the scenes , but it is progressing as recent developments have shown. Bin Laden will be captured like Sheik Mohammed, Binal Sheif, and the rest. The fact that there has not been another attack on American interests home or abroad, tells me that law enforcement is doing the job. Believe me ...if they could have ...they would have by now. Again< your entire arguement is the same weak rehtoric we hear form the rest on the left...now go free Mumia!
bazza wrote:
or try this...
Go to
http://www.google.comType in "French Military Victories" then press "I'm feeling lucky"
Damn, that is funny!!!
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Victory is ours in that arena, and we're about to run up the score.
I'm so tired on the testosterone laced cliches Willy. (french word)
This is not some freakin' board game Willy, and your not playing - so cut it out with all the "we's". I doubt they called you up for any military advice. And quit trivializing the whole thing with your "Showdowon on Iraq" bullshit. So many of you sound like Entertainment Tonight.
It is a senseless and stupid war to many - there's nothing hollywood about that!
waz thank you, I really thought everyone here on this message is blind, not you I see. These people celebrating on 9/11 you forgot to say are in refugee camps, nice life. Without our $$ & protection the JEWS would not have the weapons or the means to impose their punishment on the Palestinians/Arab folks. Unequal treatment has gotten us in a world of hate.
For the first time in my life I am seriously embarrassed to be an American. The French are taking a stand, that I don't particularly agree with, but they have a right to do so.
Right now I'm siding with the Canadian proposal to allow more time and to outline benchmarks for Iraq to follow. The U.S. just says you disarm to our liking or we will attack you. This is the most arrogant ideologically-driven and dangerous American administration ever.
Pete I want to move to Canada.
16x,
Now 16x, feel free to disagree with me, but play fair. You took my quote and purposefully displayed it out of context. My quote was with regard to capturing remaining Bin Laden operatives and had nothing to do with Iraq.
In the proper context, my quote "Victory is ours in that arena, and we're about to run up the score", shows not testosternone-laden speech, but speech of someone who wants justice for the thousands of people who died at the hands of Al Qaida followers. "...about to run up the score" refers clear to the capturing of Bin Laden and his second in command and the complete disruption of his sick organization. Are you telling me that I'm not allowed to be pumped about that eventuality? I've already got the party planned when they capture Bin Laden - does that make me heartless or a warmonger? Justice is justice, and ALL good and right thinking people should hoot and holler the minute that ass Bin Laden is captured.
As far as Iraq goes, at least you have some valid concerns there - as do I, but I've not trivialized it at all. I would greatly prefer that we (being the US) have the support of the UN, because I do care what the rest of the world thinks about us, but ultimately if we have to go in and do the world yet another favor by ridding it of Saddam, then we will. The Hollywood thing is so not on target with me, because I dislike much of Hollywood, hardly watch television except for news and sports, and hardly ever go see a movie. Hollywood has as much influence on me and my line of thinking as does clog dancing.
King of Karma,
I'm also willing to give the inspectors a little more time. Seems to me that Hans Blix is a reasonable guy. But, with regard to your desire to move to Canada, you will NEVER EVER do it. Just like Alec Baldwin who said he would move there if Bush were elected president - where is Baldwin now? Living in the good ol' USA of course. You will stay here also, because deep down you realize there is no better place to live on the planet.
1. Arabs in Israeli can vote, own businesses, and practice their religion. Jews or Christians anywhere else in the middle east do not have the same right to practice their religion.
2. Do a little brushing up on your history. How did the Palestinian plight begin? Back in 1948, five surrounding Arab nations told them to leave the newly formed Israel and that they could return after Israel was destroyed. When they lost, the displaced Arabs were kicked from "loving" Arab nation to nation, some returning to Israel. Those who didn't return immediately are the existing refugees who have suffered much even by the hands of Jordan. In 1967, the Arab nations attacked again. This time Israel pushed them back and seized the West Bank and Gaza Strip as strategic positions for future Arab attacks. The also seized the Sanai, which they gave back to Egypt in the 80s in exchange for peace.
3. Israel has stated that they are willing to live next to a Palestinian state. Hamas on the other hand seeks the destruction of Israel.
Waz, next time offer facts, not anti-semetism.
When will people realise that military power and aggression, whether it be in retaliation or as an initial strike just leads to further violence, pain and suffering on both sides of the divide. I think te American reaction to iraq is incredibly gun ho considering what it has gone through as a nation over the last couple of years, I hate to think what the reaction would be should another large scale terrorist strike hit America? Who would George take his aggression out on then?
Fact is terrorism is an incredibly scary element of modern life, but it is preventable, here in the Uk we now have a relatively peaceful solution in Northern Ireland, a dispute which has claimed thousands of lives (thanks largely to US funding of terrorist organisations for the last 30 years, funny how its ok thousands of miles away but not on your own doorstep eh?), we didn't get there by using missiles or bombs, we did it through talks, negotiation and compromise. at the moment the US approach is one of no compromise, no negotiation, just intimidationa nd fear, the same policies carried out by saddam which have generated such bad feeling in the west.
America should get out and stay out, why can't you just accept that you are not the worlds police force. You have huge failings and problems in the US, there are numerous countries doing a good job of running their countries without enforcing their wills on others, Switzerland, France, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, do you need me to go on....?
This US chest beating and threats and talk of 'freedom stinks, they fund the most shambolic nation on the face of the earth, a nation that uses helicopter hunships with anti tank missiles against stone throwing youths...
Northern Ireland?! Not even close, pal.
The IRA was not bent destroying England, the Church of England, and all things British. Gerry Adams was not advocating jihad to create an all Catholic world. No one from the poor side of Belfast was strapping on a Semtex vest and walking into Harrod's on a suicide mission.
Basically, the Catholic majority wanted two things: to be part of a larger Ireland and to keep a bunch of drunken, orange sash wearing, Protestant hooligans from marching through their neighborhoods each year to rub their noses in a defeat that happened centuries ago. They finally got fed up with this pompous Anglo "apartheid" bullshit and decided to do something about it. I don't condone their tactics but, you jug-eared uptight bastards treated them with the same disregard as corrupt white sherriffs foisted upon blacks in the American south under "Jim Crow" laws.
Considering that Sinn Fein and the IRA are not made up of mindless, illiterate, religious fanatics who are attempting to resurrect The Crusades, then it was relatively easy and logical to negotiate a peace.
Sorry Waz. Gerry Adams, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein are not cut from the same cloth.
I know I shouldn't be so flippant, but if anything is likely to make me support a war against Iraq, it's the fact that the French oppose it.
- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
Sharon (a known war criminal who took part in the ritual killing of Palestinian women and children as a soldier) is following a policy which does not even consider a Palestinian state, his coalition with an ultra religious party in order to hold his govt. together goes further down the road towards kicking out the Palestinians completely.
I don't know how censored your images of Israel are in the States but surely even you can appreciate that there must be something not quite right going on there? When I see 14 year old boys with nothing more deadly than stones being fired upon by (US bought) Israeli gunships I personally can totally understand the rise of the suicide bomber. What else do they have? Their view of the world is so disjointed through yeras of oppression that they think if they kill 2 Israelis then they will succeed, because over time they will wipe them out, its a totally hopeless view, but it comes from a hopeless situation. I don't think you have any idea of the effect of the Israeli oppression on the Palestinian youth.
I have friends who were brought up in Belfast, they were Catholic and therefore in the minority, they were mistreated by the British govt. for a long long time. One friend of mine remembers a night when the entire male population was rounded up for interogation. When troops opened fire on stone throwing youths. Yet there situation was immeasurably better than that of the Palestinians. Unless you talk to people who have been that close to the situation then you don't understand the desperation. I live in london, a city which was attacked numerous times by the IRA, yet I can appreciate their plight having now heard the other side of the story.
I think you need to hear the other side of the story.
1. Northern Island is your own problem. The UK started that one. You should have just stayed on your own island instead of aggressing onto Ireland. BTW, Scotland doesn't have alot of love for England either. But that's another story.
2. How long have we been trying to peacefully deal Iraq? Should we go it another 12 years, while the average Iraqi suffers due to the trade embargos.
3. What was Europe doing about Bosnia? Nothing. They would have let the butcher massacre thousands more probably. The US is the police, because Europe doesn't have the stomach to do what is needed.
4. Peace doesn't trump aggression. You can't fight guns with flowers. Until then, we'll fight guns with guns.