Also no specific training smh. These guys are trying to get drafted as high as possible and the 40 matters. They are doing very specific training to excel at the 40.
Also no specific training smh. These guys are trying to get drafted as high as possible and the 40 matters. They are doing very specific training to excel at the 40.
Da troof wrote:
who cares??? wrote:
still doesn't meant you can go get a random football guy and have him run 46. and how are they better than MOST track and field athletes in athletics?
You are crazy if you don't think most football players can't crush the 60, 100, 200, 400, Throws, Hurdles, and Jumps. For example in the shorter sprints, Christian Coleman ran 4.12 for the 40 yard dash in track spikes which is just ahead of the combine record of 4.22 in football cleats which are much heavier. Coleman sprints for a living. His life is making sure his sprint form is efficient and correct. Football players are not. Yet there are about 10 football players within .2 of Coleman in that 40 yard dash in heavier shoes and no specific training towards sprints. Turn these guys into pro sprinters, and they're easily dominant. And a lot of these football players doing it weighing 20-30 lbs heavier.
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you're all stupid as hell every D1 college team should have at least 1 junior or senior running 46 high no one is talking about high school lmfao most D1 teams recruit at least 48 the fact that they can't improve a second in 4 years is really pathetic
I was at ND in the 90s when Holtz let the guys run track (Rocket Ismail for example)...still could't get a 46 split guy. They are rare and that's why teams with a good DMR rarely have one of them. They need to recruit a bunch of distance studs to score. It's like asking why USC doesn't have a bunch of sub 4 milers...they put their money in sprints.
To make the 400 leg more significant, go 12, 4, 8, 16, 4. And each 400 leg has to be the same runner.
Rojoremainswrong wrote:
I was at ND in the 90s when Holtz let the guys run track (Rocket Ismail for example)...still could't get a 46 split guy. They are rare and that's why teams with a good DMR rarely have one of them. They need to recruit a bunch of distance studs to score. It's like asking why USC doesn't have a bunch of sub 4 milers...they put their money in sprints.
I am not sure what Rojo meant by 46 but 46.0 in a relay is pushing it for someone not training hard for the event. But 46.5-47.5 in relay is definitely in the doable range when you factor in the relay legs being .3-.7 faster than open times. But as people have said you aren't going to get any football players to come in and do 400m training for 3-4 weeks to get ready for the event. Better to recovery, focus a bit on school and get ready for spring ball instead of doing some meaningless meet. Unless you really loved track in HS, it makes no sense to run in college.
IChoseD2 wrote:
To make the 400 leg more significant, go 12, 4, 8, 16, 4. And each 400 leg has to be the same runner.
Rojo was already complaining the DMR is dumb, probably because it's a relay with different distances. Adding another leg of 400 doesn't make it any less dumb. And having the one runner run 400 twice with like 6 min rest is nonsense. It turns into a race of recovery instead of a race of speed.
The 2011 flotrack article is pretty good.
For top 100m times by NFL players, I made a list in 2014 that is slightly better,
using a definition where the person had to play at least one NFL game.
So it adds Jim Hines at 9.95 and Trindon Holliday at 10.00 (probably after the 2011 flotrack article).
But what if we added a 400 at the beginning too? And wait for it....Same 400 runner?
IChoseD2 wrote:
But what if we added a 400 at the beginning too? And wait for it....Same 400 runner?
Motherf.......ugh. Should I be mad at you for coming up with this even dumber idea? Or congratulate you for actually coming up with a genius troll idea?
IChoseD2 wrote:
But what if we added a 400 at the beginning too? And wait for it....Same 400 runner?
Oooooooor you could really mess with everyone and even change it from 1200-400-800-1600 to...wait for it...400-400-400-400! And make them all the same runner!
Pretty sure there would be more soccer players doing 46 than football players. Not many things more overrated than a football player.
sadda wrote:
Pretty sure there would be more soccer players doing 46 than football players. Not many things more overrated than a football player.
Soccer players don't work on explosive speed. Football players do. Soccer players won't have football player speed.
candymancan wrote:
sadda wrote:
Pretty sure there would be more soccer players doing 46 than football players. Not many things more overrated than a football player.
Soccer players don't work on explosive speed. Football players do. Soccer players won't have football player speed.
Soccer players absolutely do work on explosive speed. Gemili is a soccer player turned sprinter. He is a 9.97 runner. No football player does that.
In DIII today, Middlebury had a football player split 1:53 on the 800 leg. His 400 PR is 47 mid, so I bet he splits 46 with a clear lane and a running start. Sure, this guy trains for track after football season's over, but if a DIII football player can split 46, I'm sure that there are plenty of DI skill position players that could do that with a little bit of training.
whaaa? wrote:
candymancan wrote:
Soccer players don't work on explosive speed. Football players do. Soccer players won't have football player speed.
Soccer players absolutely do work on explosive speed. Gemili is a soccer player turned sprinter. He is a 9.97 runner. No football player does that.
statfool would disagree with you. He even gave you a list of fast NFL guys.
https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/100m_nfl.htmThe Starved Elephant wrote:
I'm sure that there are plenty of DI skill position players that could do that with a little bit of training.
All good and well, but Rojo's claim was that football players CAN split 46, not that they would be able to with a little bit of training. If I say that I can do something, I mean that I am currently able to do it, not that I would be able to do it with weeks or months of preparation.
If Rojo says it, believe it.
Well ackshually wrote:
whaaa? wrote:
Soccer players absolutely do work on explosive speed. Gemili is a soccer player turned sprinter. He is a 9.97 runner. No football player does that.
statfool would disagree with you. He even gave you a list of fast NFL guys.
https://web.stanford.edu/~clint/100m_nfl.htm
Lol. Thanks for that list. So you're saying a soccer player that wouldn't likely crack the top 20 as the fastest soccer players is pretty much tied with the fastest NFLer ever?
Anyway, this is the 100. In the 400 NFL players just can't compete with top soccer players. It's nonsense trying to say they can.
rojo wrote:
Ok, I just texted a Power 5 d1 coach and asked him if I was crazy. Here is what he or she wrote back, "In theory, no (you aren't way off). I think there are guys that with 6-8 weeks of word could run 47 mid. Problem is strength coaches are territorial and the winter and spring are their territory."
And I'm not even talking about the Jeff Demps or Tyreek Hills of the world.
Your own comment leads me to believe that you don't even realize that the guy you are quoting is saying that you are wrong, despite the word "no" being prominently featured in the very first sentence.
Your claim is that a single football team has multiple guys who could on the spur of the moment at football practice throw down a 46 split. Your friend says they would run 1.5 seconds slower than that with 2 months of training.