Feel a little bump coming through, on you...
Feel a little bump coming through, on you...
polevaultpower wrote:
Drainthefecesswamp wrote:
Makes sense.
I guess this doesnt sound like a crime (correct me if I'm wrong on that). If it were a crime, federal whistleblower protections would trump any lack of whistleblower protection in USATF.
Still though, while it might justify his behavior to some extent, it still points a picture of somebody unfit to be the leader. I want to see somebody with a strong moral compass and unwavering dedication to doing the right thing at the helm, regardless of personal political cost within the organization, not somebody willing to keep quiet about a very shady deal because it would be bad press.
This organization is supposed to be leading track and field in this country, covering up shady dealings is why Russia was in the last Olympics.
Covering up flaws might protect the organization in the short term, but this is exactly the type of behavior that has driven people like me out of being a donating member for years to now watching from the outside. People like Lanana might be better than the people approaching him with proposals to fix votes, but it seems like we are discussing what part of the core is more or less rotten.
Vin is by far the best person willing to do the job at this time.
I don't feel that he was "covering up" the shady dealings of Steve Miller and others on the Board, but I don't know enough about the context of how that conversation played out to put your conspiracy theory to rest.
And keep in mind that there was no one to whistleblow to even if Vin wanted to. Our whistleblower policy says that concerns about Board members should be raised with the Counsel to the Board, and the board did not have anyone in that position for several years, until this past weekend apparently. The Board also does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Ethics Committee. And raising concerns about board members to the Counsel to the Board is a stupid policy anyway, as they would fire their Counsel if the Counsel tried to do anything about the complaint.
Vin is dedicated to serving his constituents. Prior to his election, he spent many many hours on the phone with people from all corners of USATF, from youth to masters to elite athletes to race walk to officials and so on. After he won the election, he solicited nominations for the various presidential appointees and worked diligently with others to get feedback to make sure he was making wise decisions about how the spots were filled.
He went on a Presidential listening tour to quite a few Associations, where he listened to the concerns and feedback that many had. He would have continued that tour had he not been removed as President.
And all of that, all of the things I have mentioned, are just 180° the opposite of how Stephanie, Steve and Max operate.
Giving Vin a pass because of a weak whistleblower system is letting him off far too easily. With his stature in the sport, he has access to the ultimate whistleblowing tool - the press - and he could have blown up the board in one press conference, if he truly stood for transparency and honest dealings. Instead, as Drainthe... posts above, Vin himself participated in the backroom dealing, said nothing at the time, and only complained later when he himself didn’t benefit from it. So Vin is no better when it comes to honor or morality than the board members routinely pilloried by you. This makes him unfit for a major leadership position. Btw, in most large companies, seeing or knowing about something wrong and following along or not doing something about it will usually get you severely disciplined, if not fired. The fact that he’d make an otherwise great chairman (which I agree with, btw) really isn’t relevant.
Vin is a boob.
Zoo Tube wrote:
Giving Vin a pass because of a weak whistleblower system is letting him off far too easily. With his stature in the sport, he has access to the ultimate whistleblowing tool - the press - and he could have blown up the board in one press conference, if he truly stood for transparency and honest dealings. Instead, as Drainthe... posts above, Vin himself participated in the backroom dealing, said nothing at the time, and only complained later when he himself didn’t benefit from it. So Vin is no better when it comes to honor or morality than the board members routinely pilloried by you. This makes him unfit for a major leadership position. Btw, in most large companies, seeing or knowing about something wrong and following along or not doing something about it will usually get you severely disciplined, if not fired. The fact that he’d make an otherwise great chairman (which I agree with, btw) really isn’t relevant.
The idea that releasing this information sooner would have "blown up the board" shows a poor understanding of the bylaws of USATF.
polevaultpower wrote:
Zoo Tube wrote:
Giving Vin a pass because of a weak whistleblower system is letting him off far too easily. With his stature in the sport, he has access to the ultimate whistleblowing tool - the press - and he could have blown up the board in one press conference, if he truly stood for transparency and honest dealings. Instead, as Drainthe... posts above, Vin himself participated in the backroom dealing, said nothing at the time, and only complained later when he himself didn’t benefit from it. So Vin is no better when it comes to honor or morality than the board members routinely pilloried by you. This makes him unfit for a major leadership position. Btw, in most large companies, seeing or knowing about something wrong and following along or not doing something about it will usually get you severely disciplined, if not fired. The fact that he’d make an otherwise great chairman (which I agree with, btw) really isn’t relevant.
The idea that releasing this information sooner would have "blown up the board" shows a poor understanding of the bylaws of USATF.
I assume he meant it would have "blown up the board" due to pressure from membership. I certainly cannot support any of the people mentioned in these backdoor dealings, they are really against the spirit of representation for the members elected by the members.
Members of the USATF, we voted for a president to lead USATF and the sport of Track and Field in USA. With your votes you made a statement to the Board of USATF about the future and the direction you want for the sport. Our voices and our votes have to be heard and our choice fulfilled. Action needs to be taken. We voted for a president based on his ability to lead, his demonstrated success at all levels of the sport and his ability to have positive impact on Track and Field. Yet, the board continues to ignore our rights, they continue to ignore the By-laws of governance. Refusing the President, as selected by us, the USATF members, in direct contradiction of the By-Laws of the USATF. As a non-profit organization by not following our own By-Laws do we put ourselves in jeopardy? We need action. Put our voted for President in office. We need leaders who are going to make positive changes in the sport, we voted Vin Lananna as part of the organization to fulfill the duties as President of USATF.
What needs to be done to have our voted USATF president lead? What are the reasons for the USATF to not follow their own rules? According to “Let’s Run” in an article dated February 18th, 2018 USATF board chair Steve Miller said in the press release, “USATF has no reason to believe TrackTown and/or Mr. Lananna have done anything wrong and understand that they have been told that they are not a target of the investigation.” Then, by Steve Miller’s own words, since Mr. Lananna has done no wrong and is not the target on any investigation. Put the elected president in his role and allow him to work on our behalf. We voted. He won. He is our choice.
rojo wrote:
Victory to Vin:
https://twitter.com/polevaultpower/status/1202597129333567489
Why did this take so long? Who wrestled the power away in the first place?
Yippee!
Move the 2021 WC to Charlottesville!
What powers does the USATF president have that don't depend on the concurrence of the board? Can the board go around him and make him a figurehead? This drama may be far from over.
Check the front page: "immediately" doesn't start with two i's. This is why I always use adblock here-can't support this nonsense
It would be great if every Board member that voted against Vin be removed from office and banned from holding any future USATF position.
For one, it is obvious that you have a personal role in this situation. Your language is one of spite and contentment. It also feels like the mention of black and white is one of a subtle misdirection.
We need men/women in positions of power outside of USATF (which runs the risk of becoming ignored). The roles in USATF need to be restructured. All of these people in positions of power who attempted to extend terms and manipulate people need to be fired and should probably run for another office.
Just my thoughts. We are tired of this nonsense.
There is no conflict of interest. The USATF position is volunteer. Do you want some non employed person, who will take bribes from every interested party in that position. Grow up!
And neutered!
Absolute Power, Absolutely Corrupts
This still isn't likely to bring anyone down from their Hightower I mean ivory tower.
Grab your popcorn, though. It should be a wild ride.
How important can this Presidential role be if USATF went all this time without?
How can Vin be this important while having a full time position (Director of Track/XC and Associate AD) at University of Virginia?
It’s hilarious to see all the butt kissers on twitter and Instagram hailing Vin’s glorious return to “power”.
We had a tremendous performance at Worlds this fall, due to THE ATHLETES and their personal coaches and support systems.
Vin, Hightower, Chaplin, Miller, etc are all exactly the same. A bunch of people with nothing else to do but politic an unbelievably dysfunctional organization.
Clarification from someone? wrote:
How important can this Presidential role be if USATF went all this time without?
How can Vin be this important while having a full time position (Director of Track/XC and Associate AD) at University of Virginia?
It’s hilarious to see all the butt kissers on twitter and Instagram hailing Vin’s glorious return to “power”.
We had a tremendous performance at Worlds this fall, due to THE ATHLETES and their personal coaches and support systems.
Vin, Hightower, Chaplin, Miller, etc are all exactly the same. A bunch of people with nothing else to do but politic an unbelievably dysfunctional organization.
Thanks, Mrs. Siegle for the input.
Does this mean Vin leaves UVA? Can this years signed recruits get out of their LOI?
bleu wrote:
Does this mean Vin leaves UVA? Can this years signed recruits get out of their LOI?
It's a volunteer position, not a staff position. Vin isn't going anywhere. We look forward to bringing home NCAA championships under Vin.
LOIs commit a recruit to a school, not to a coach. It says this explicitly on the paperwork.