5000 Final. WOW!

unbelievable!!!! wrote:

to the guy knocking these performances earlier in the thread.

THESE TIMES ARE IMPRESSIVE FOR ANY NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP........INCLUDING KENYA/ETHIOPIA

You only see times faster than these in the European Grand Prix meets and at major championships, even the Africans don't run that fast at their National Champs.

This is a very good time for a national championship meet. The Kenyan national championships are also run at significant altitude, remember. That doesn't detract from the top three USATF times, but it's something one ought to remember when making comparisons.

As an outsider, I think that the times all of the top guys in the US are running right now in championship races, represent a real resergence in US distance running. It is very exciting to see such improvements in an industrialised nation these days, and it really is starting to tell us all that you don't just have to be from a poor third world country to make it to the top in the sport.

Congrats to all the performers and thanks for giving us all some great inspiration.

What makes you guys think Torres' best event is the 10K?? Just because you think he runs a slow a 5K doesn't mean he's a better 10K runner.

Anyone who saw him school Cragg at 10K in cross country knows what event Jorge whould be running.

He cannot run 3K or 5K like Tim Broe can, but he would have made the 10K team this year.

Torres, like John Riley, might only be a tier II type runner... Time will tell...

Torres has decent footspeed, he probably thinks it will come around for him in the 5k. I bet he has more footspeed than Dobson and Broe.

What do you mean footspeed? Mile footspeed or 400 footspeed?

Broe is definitely faster at 400 and mile. Torres would serve himself well to move to the 10k. He would have got at least third and given himself a shot to go to worlds. Hindsight....

5000 dude wrote:

What do you mean footspeed? Mile footspeed or 400 footspeed?

His 800m PR is 1:50 from Mt. Sac about 3 yrs. ago.

Hrm wrote:

This is a very good time for a national championship meet. The Kenyan national championships are also run at significant altitude, remember. That doesn't detract from the top three USATF times, but it's something one ought to remember when making comparisons.

Yeah, but politics allows the top Kenyans and Ethiopians to get away with murder when it comes to drug use. That's another thing to keep in mind when making comparisons.

I am constantly amazed that guys on this board continue to think that every Kenyan is on drugs. Their junior team mops the floor with us. You think the 17-year olds are on drugs too? The altitude comparison is fair. Run a 13:15 at Boulder and it means a lot more than at Sacramento or Eugene. The drug comparison is speculation. Are some Kenyans on drugs? Absolutely--but so are some Westerners, too, so this discussion is unnecessary right now.

Mrh wrote: Yeah, but politics allows the top Kenyans and Ethiopians to get away with murder when it comes to drug use. That's another thing to keep in mind when making comparisons.

Hrm wrote:

I am constantly amazed that guys on this board continue to think that every Kenyan is on drugs. Their junior team mops the floor with us. You think the 17-year olds are on drugs too?

Their 17 year olds aren't 17.

Cool wrote:

Their 17 year olds aren't 17.

Right, their 17 year olds are really 21, unless they race USA senior men while they're still "17," and then when they win they're drug cheats. I get it now.

The Africans want to lead. El G. wants to lead. Webb wants to lead. Rupp wants to lead. Last night, Broe, Dobson and Hall were virtually the only ones who lead. But people on here keep looking at being in front as a sitting duck.

Guess what?? It's not. If Webb, Broe, Dobson and Hall avoided the lead like everyone argues should be done, then we wouldn't be having this thread.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=89603&thread=89521

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=909516&thread=908439

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=899118&thread=898910

Dustin Hoffman wrote:

As an outsider, I think that the times all of the top guys in the US are running right now in championship races, represent a real resergence in US distance running. It is very exciting to see such improvements in an industrialised nation these days, and it really is starting to tell us all that you don't just have to be from a poor third world country to make it to the top in the sport.

Congrats to all the performers and thanks for giving us all some great inspiration.

I agree!

BIG CONGRADS !!!! to Dobson /Hall and Broe, not only for Broe's performance, but his appreciation of the leading done by the Stanford runners. True grit by these dudes. I saw them at the NCAA's doing the same thing, just pushing each other, just working it.OLd dude's, when was the last time you saw this type of team work? Has this been done at an NCAA championship, let alone at a U.S. Champ.? I'm sure it has would just like to jog your memory.

This seems to be a break-through for U.S. distance running, maybe not seen since the 70's.

I have to think that Goucher,Torres and the second pack felt that Hall and Dobson would come back,playing it smart,I can't blame them if I was in the stands I probably would think the same.Dobson and Hall just believed they were in 13:15 shape and went for it. That was the differance.They ran 13:22 at NCAA's three weeks ago and probably said to themselves, were in 13:15 pace come get me.ONLY Tim Broe did.

Interesting Dobsons comments on Gerard.Strenght all year

just 100's.

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"Cardinals"? "Congrads"? "OLd dude's"? "I'm sure it has would just like to"? "differance"? "Strenght all year

just 100's"? "said to themselves, were in 13:15 pace come get me"? "Dobson and Hall just believed they were in 13:15 shape and went for it"? Are you sure? SolRichards?

chuck d wrote:and jorge has run 13:24. jorge is "that great." however, he's basically wasting his time at 5K.

Actually he ran 1320.57 this year and is ranked 4th in the US.