Not a warmonger wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Exactly!!!!!
Finally someone gets it!
It’s hard to break the propaganda pushed to everyone’s phone daily so if I reach just one person it is worth it.
You Da MAN!!!
Not a warmonger wrote:
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Exactly!!!!!
Finally someone gets it!
It’s hard to break the propaganda pushed to everyone’s phone daily so if I reach just one person it is worth it.
You Da MAN!!!
Timothy Foyle wrote:
Not a warmonger wrote:
It’s hard to break the propaganda pushed to everyone’s phone daily so if I reach just one person it is worth it.
You Da MAN!!!
+1 thanks for doing what you're doing!
We like to think the Saudis are an ally. At one time this made sense but now they are among the more autocratic states in the region. And they fund terrorism! Like -- funded 9/11 levels of terrorism.
I don't understand why it is geopolitically necessary to maintain a friendship with them. It can't be the $$$ from arms sale alone as the number isn't that big.
Time to move on and cut them loose. Let them implode when oil prices crater in the next 50 years. Something about grandfathers riding camels, etc.
rojo wrote:
I've seriously been confused by the outrage. I think to myself, "How do you think despots stay in power in the year 2018?"
Is it because the guy killed himself often wrote as a journalist? I was thinking that but haven given it some more thought I think it's more because of the bold way it was done - in another country - combined with the fact that the guy was a known journalist of sorts.
What explains it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/?utm_term=.fd7e831d1705
Saudi does it all the time too. Saudi Arabia is a brutal theocratic monarchy. The murder in question happened on US soil which is why it is causing outrage. If Putin ordered an assassination in the US, that would cause outrage too and Russia isn't even a US ally. Its generally considered wrong to kill your citizens off your own soil, unless national security is threatened, and even then it would be wrong for an immoral government like Saudi Arabia.
to correct your facts, Khashoggi was murdered in a Saudi consulate in Turkey not US soil.
Personally, I'm outraged by both Saudi and Putin sanctioned murders. The albeit minor difference is that the world has long acknowledged Russia/Putin's murderous tyranny. But, because Pres. malignant megaphallus has now decided to turn a blind eye to this type of brutality, the Saudis are becoming more and more cavalier and reckless with respect to silencing dissidence including murdering international journalists.
It really is not all that difficult to understand, wejo.
You should understand that pretty much all of SA is disgusting. Their royal family evil dictatorship is preferable to the alternative for that country, which would essentially be the Talaban, with the beheading of women who dare to read a book.
Folks, it’s only a lose-lose situation over there.
Harambe wrote:
We like to think the Saudis are an ally. At one time this made sense but now they are among the more autocratic states in the region. And they fund terrorism! Like -- funded 9/11 levels of terrorism.
I don't understand why it is geopolitically necessary to maintain a friendship with them. It can't be the $$$ from arms sale alone as the number isn't that big.
Time to move on and cut them loose. Let them implode when oil prices crater in the next 50 years. Something about grandfathers riding camels, etc.
Almost a half trillion over 10 years is pretty big.
The reason we keep hearing about it is probably because the Turks have a social media influence team that is hammering this pretty hard, whereas when Russia acts out there hasn't been a state-supported campaign against them that's trying to sway the US populace.
And by the way, don't be fooled into thinking the Turkish social media team is clumsy or is easy for you or me to distinguish in the same way the news likes to portray election-influencing bots. They are pretty slick and they're really optimzing their opportunity with this Saudi misstep.
Much of the outrage was manufactured by the President of Turkey, Recip Erdogan. Over the past few years, Erdogan has become increasingly worried by the policies pushed by Mohammad bin Salman, the Saudi Crown Prince. Things reached a head last year, when the Saudis threatened to invade Qatar. Turkey stepped in, and forced the Saudis to back off. Erdogan saw Kashoggi's murder as another opportunity to further embarrass MBS.
The Turkish PR campaign was brilliant. Unlike the British, the Turks had hard evidence that the Saudis killed Kashoggi. The evidence was so good that eventually the Saudis had to walk back their original story about what happened to Kashoggi. And by leaking the evidence slowly over a period of weeks, the Turks kept the story alive for long enough that it eventually become an issue for some of MBS's western backers.
In the end, Erdogan got what he wanted. He weakened MBS by driving a wedge between him and his western allies. And domestically, he distracted attention away from the sputtering economy, and from his own crack down on the opposition.
John Utah wrote:
Maybe its you wrote:
A guy walks into an embassy and is systematically cut into easily transported pieces for having exercised free speech.
If you don't find this outrageous, where exactly is your threshold for outrage?
There are about 17,000 people murdered in the US every year. Those are murders, not accidents. You much be in a permanent state of outrage.
Ant that’s just in the USA.
Well that certainly makes me feel better about state sponsored hit squads assassinating journalists. Thanks for the rationalization!
Why the outrage when MBS kills one guy, but not when he kills thousands in Yemen?
Because, "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic."
It's a sad truth, but people are outraged because they botched the coverup so bad.
#1 cause of unnatural death worldwide in 2018:
Abortion
4,100,000
Its definitely you wrote:
John Utah wrote:
There are about 17,000 people murdered in the US every year. Those are murders, not accidents. You much be in a permanent state of outrage.
Ant that’s just in the USA.
Well that certainly makes me feel better about state sponsored hit squads assassinating journalists. Thanks for the rationalization!
Learn to read. I didn’t rationalize anything. Im just curious about your outrage and how it’s applied. It’s a big world with lots of murders.
Rojo's ? 2.0 wrote:
Why the outrage when MBS kills one guy, but not when he kills thousands in Yemen?
Because, "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic."
That’s eithe Napoleon it Marx.
Allen53 wrote:
Would you like a list of all the countries the US has invaded over the past century and the accompanying death tolls?
As for the OP I guess the thousands of Yemenis that have been slaughtered don't count?
None of those count, war is war and it ain't pretty.
John Utah wrote:
Rojo's ? 2.0 wrote:
Why the outrage when MBS kills one guy, but not when he kills thousands in Yemen?
Because, "a single death is a tragedy; a million deaths are a statistic."
That’s eithe Napoleon it Marx.
Nice try, but, no. Nobody says it's either of them. It's usually attributed to Stalin, but he likely didn't say it, either.
John U, have you ever thought of using Google before you post?
Fogrunr wrote:
#1 cause of unnatural death worldwide in 2018:
Abortion
4,100,000
You are so far from the truth it's embarrassing, even by the standards of internet idiocy.
GIYF. It's so easy and convenient, you should try using it.