Once again you missed the point.
They were artificially fast times. We have learned that from the fact that no one could duplicate them.
Once again you missed the point.
They were artificially fast times. We have learned that from the fact that no one could duplicate them.
douglas burke wrote:
JoeRogan wrote:
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SfCKIQLefmg/W7ovk_u7zHI/AAAAAAAALb8/W00FkA66nxIJfmhktz8kDufQfGJ5YIyjwCLcBGAs/s1600/%25E3%2582%25B9%25E3%2582%25AF%25E3%2583%25AA%25E3%2583%25BC%25E3%2583%25B3%25E3%2582%25B7%25E3%2583%25A7%25E3%2583%2583%25E3%2583%2588%2B2018-10-07%2B11.04.23.pngOnly 5 countries have more sub 2:10 Marathons in their History than Japan has this year
1Kenya
2.Ethiopia
3. Japan 95
4. Morroco 20
5. USA 18
6. tie Great Britain and Spain 16
So Japan will likely have more this year than Spain and Great Britain have in their history after Fukuoka and could maybe pass up the USA and Morroco as well.
Kenya has 445 and Ethiopia has 178
Do any of the guys running CIM care about these stats?
douglas burke wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Only 5 countries have more sub 2:10 Marathons in their History than Japan has this year
1Kenya
2.Ethiopia
3. Japan 95
4. Morroco 20
5. USA 18
6. tie Great Britain and Spain 16
So Japan will likely have more this year than Spain and Great Britain have in their history after Fukuoka and could maybe pass up the USA and Morroco as well.
Kenya has 445 and Ethiopia has 178
um okay wrote:
only 200 people every four years, that's a pretty huge achievement for a runner in this country
maybe show them some respect?
it is a little weird how marathoners can claim the OTQ accomplishment by being top 200 when other events have to be top 30. and marathon is so much more luck-based with different courses and weather and only being able to run a few a year so you know there are probably some better runners who didn't OTQ because things didn't come together for them
i have a lot of respect for the runners who OTQ in the marathon but i think a lot less of them than people who OTQ in a track event. letting them both just be OTQ's seems really unfair.
US Championship for US hopefuls wrote:
Do any of the guys running CIM care about these stats?
douglas burke wrote:
Kenya has 445 and Ethiopia has 178
Probably most of them, The USA's top Marathon runners want to go at least sub 2:10.00, a good indicator is double the Marathon and add 6-7 minutes, so 1:01.00 Half Marathoner should be capable of 2:08-2:09 for the Marathon, The Japanese seem to out perform that and the Americans usually under perform in the Marathon compared to their Half Marathon and 10k times.
Prediction Haron Lagat a 1:01.01 Half Marathoner who will make his debut in this race will break 2:10.00, If the air quality is good which may not be the case with the Wildfires.
Aussiestatman wrote:
How many of these pb's are on a downhill course? What are the best half marathon times from the debuts? Could any of them translate a 63 half into a 2.10?
General rule double recent Half Marathon and add 6-7 minutes, yes there are runners that are capable of sub 2:10 in this race, especially with the Downhill, but what effect will the Wildfires have?
63 half marathon doubled = 2:06 add 6-7 minutes = 2:12-2:13 likely time, so breaking 2:10 is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT for a 63 minute Half Marathoner, Not impossible with the downhill, but it would take a person with extraordinary endurance as most will have much faster half marathon times.
There's nobody in this field who can push him to sub-2:10. No pacers and it won't matter if there's a pack through the half at sub-65 if there aren't several who can sustain it past 35K.
Right, like all the guys (and ladies) who fill out the back half of the OT steeple or OT 10K fields are so studly? A good proportion of them cling to the track too long, could be making decent coin semi-pro on the roads.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
All these mental contortions, fueled by bias and emotion, to avoid the truth that it's an aided course which yields artificially fast marks for those who are prepared to take advantage.
Hey genius, explain the science behind your claim. Include the effects of elevation gained and lost. Thank you.
What is a very flat marathon course that almost always has great weather (in the US or elsewhere in the world)?
Are sub elite marathoners aware that there are other marathons to run besides CIM? No wonder the marathon lacks depth these days, everyone just waits for two races a year and if the conditions are not ideal, the times suck.
Seeking fast fast course? wrote:
What is a very flat marathon course that almost always has great weather (in the US or elsewhere in the world)?
Indianapolis Monumental Marathon. Flat with just a few rollers around mile 17. Average temp is ~38° F at the start. Some years it is windy, but most of the time it is single digits. Loop course with decent crowd support.
vivalarepublica wrote:
Are sub elite marathoners aware that there are other marathons to run besides CIM? No wonder the marathon lacks depth these days, everyone just waits for two races a year and if the conditions are not ideal, the times suck.
No, most know where the good marathons are all over the World, but unless they are invited or have a shoe contract, they go to the ones most affordable (Usually in the USA) they know Fukuoka has one the same day and a Few Americans run there, but Sacramento is a good place to get a time, for runners who can't get invites to bigger Marathons, I hope The air quality is good by race time, it is a disaster with the wildfires.
Slow Region wrote:
Seeking fast fast course? wrote:
What is a very flat marathon course that almost always has great weather (in the US or elsewhere in the world)?
Indianapolis Monumental Marathon. Flat with just a few rollers around mile 17. Average temp is ~38° F at the start. Some years it is windy, but most of the time it is single digits. Loop course with decent crowd support.
I ran Indy this year and can confirm it was a fast course with ideal conditions. Crowd support in the course wasn't good though - not many people between miles 4 and 25.
Monumental runner wrote:
Slow Region wrote:
Indianapolis Monumental Marathon. Flat with just a few rollers around mile 17. Average temp is ~38° F at the start. Some years it is windy, but most of the time it is single digits. Loop course with decent crowd support.
I ran Indy this year and can confirm it was a fast course with ideal conditions. Crowd support in the course wasn't good though - not many people between miles 4 and 25.
Yea, crowd support is almost nonexistent for much of the Monumental.
Monumental runner wrote:
Slow Region wrote:
Indianapolis Monumental Marathon. Flat with just a few rollers around mile 17. Average temp is ~38° F at the start. Some years it is windy, but most of the time it is single digits. Loop course with decent crowd support.
I ran Indy this year and can confirm it was a fast course with ideal conditions. Crowd support in the course wasn't good though - not many people between miles 4 and 25.
Hi Bob!
It's already been posted to this thread by someone else, if you want to look. If you don't like the reality shown by the statistical analysis, invent your own to tell yourself a comfortable fiction.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot wrote:
It's already been posted to this thread by someone else, if you want to look. If you don't like the reality shown by the statistical analysis, invent your own to tell yourself a comfortable fiction.
A lazy troll too stubborn to understand the effects of weather on the analysis he/she is citing.
Is this on next weekend?
