Name a junior athlete who has run faster than J.I. who comes from a country without a lengthy documented history of age and drug cheating. I'll be waiting.
Name a junior athlete who has run faster than J.I. who comes from a country without a lengthy documented history of age and drug cheating. I'll be waiting.
Halviking wrote:
Splits will be posted here
http://www.european-athletics.org/competitions/european-athletics-championships/2018/athletics/event/mens-5000m/phase=atm050100/index.htmlIt is really nice to listen to NRK. So many good interviews
He can do sub 13 this year
The Ingebrigtsens should start an English fan page, people here already like them but we would love them even more if we could understand their interviews, tv serie, articles...
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8412487&page=5TresholdFTW wrote:
You're grasping. First of Petar is not a ski coach, he is a track and field coach (I know you'll love that, but facts are facts) for his kids.
Bjørndalen is nothing. He is not known for keeping is training secret, its all out there in the news and documentaries, and he always invites the national team to come train like him. Never seen an athlete so professional in my entire life. Basically pushed the norwegian national team and other athletes to be fare more professional, set a new standard.
Norways anti-doping system is one of the best in the world. They have the funds to test far more than most nations.
Regarding wax for skies, Norway is truly "financially doping" to get ahead in cross country skiing. But, cross country skiing is not a big sport in many nations other than Norway. Even Sweden isn't nearly as obsessed. You can see how terrible Norway are in football..
Doesn't change anything.
Look again at the post I replied to:
Coach Cookie wrote:
Good thing these guys are Norwegian or I'd think they're DOPED TO THE GILLS!!!
The point I'm making is that every awesome performance needs to be viewed with scrutiny. I' am not saying condemnation. That's for after positive tests and due process. But that sentiment shared by the above quote, that these guys from Norway are above scrutiny, for whatever reason, needs to go away.
the guy will get caught for EPO
Halviking wrote:
Since the testing is so bad for HS in the USA I just have to assume all medals won by Americans are a result of doping at young age.
Like you said, no country is immune. Especially not when you can have 100% in HS with no testing like in the USA.
If you want to deliberately misread my posts, that's up to you.
There is a difference between scrutiny and accusations. I replied to a poster saying Norway is above suspicion. I brought up reasons why they shouldn't be.
That is not an accusation.
You brought up reasons US athletes should be viewed with suspicion. Absolutely. Suspicion is good, because blind faith is toxic in this sport. Stop viewing Norway as some European enclave of clean athletes. Everyone should be held to scrutiny.
(And to make the point clear because you won't get it otherwise, this sentiment of mine is different than an accusation. I'll accuse Paula Radcliffe and Mo Farah and Galen Rupp and Bolt and others of doping, and have in other posts. I am very deliberately not doing that here with the Ingebrigtsens.)
Phantasy Star wrote:
Name a junior athlete who has run faster than J.I. who comes from a country without a lengthy documented history of age and drug cheating. I'll be waiting.
Stop being a Coevett.
The oldest story wrote:
Jay Dee wrote:
Honestly think Henrik let him have that one.
Do you have a younger brother?
Lol facts only.
PrZ wrote:
lkndasc wrote:
That makes way more sense. a 54-flat close in a Championship-style 13:07 might make him the best in the world this year.
13:17...did you not read the post you responded to? He is absolutely not the best in the world at any event right now. Chelimo and Kejelcha would whoop him in a 5k (Chelimo ran 13:03 in Rio with a 52 last 400).
Whoop?? Hey 1985 called... they want their lingo back.
And no. Chelimo and Kejelcha wouldn't "whoop" him. If you actually saw the race, you could see that in the last lap, he was not all-out in the first 300m... he only ran as fast as he needed to in order to maintain the lead, which is not saying much in a European field. Only with 100m left to go did he run hard. You could see it on his face... he grimaced with 100m left to go.... then he took his foot off the gas with about 20m left to go to celebrate. So he was really only all-out from about 4,900m to 4,980m. The rest was cruising.
Had he been challenged to run a 52s final lap, he could/would have covered it.
you guys realize he would have won the 3000m Steeplechase as well?
Complete LEGEND.
Halviking wrote:
How often get American HS runners tested.
Are they tested at all?
After what I know, USA high schools are a paradise for doping.
So I guess we all can say that all USA runners are dopers then.
My athletes get tested 1-2 times a year during season and we are some nowhere school in Utah.
Hayduke wrote:
Just sayin' it wrote:
A 10 second difference kinda does change how impressive it is. No knocking it - awesome result for the kid. But it is absurd to say that a 10 second time difference is irrelevant as to how impressive it is.
not as absurd as your post.
Good job saying something stupid.
Well done!
Clerk wrote:
TresholdFTW wrote:
You're grasping. First of Petar is not a ski coach, he is a track and field coach (I know you'll love that, but facts are facts) for his kids.
Bjørndalen is nothing. He is not known for keeping is training secret, its all out there in the news and documentaries, and he always invites the national team to come train like him. Never seen an athlete so professional in my entire life. Basically pushed the norwegian national team and other athletes to be fare more professional, set a new standard.
Norways anti-doping system is one of the best in the world. They have the funds to test far more than most nations.
Regarding wax for skies, Norway is truly "financially doping" to get ahead in cross country skiing. But, cross country skiing is not a big sport in many nations other than Norway. Even Sweden isn't nearly as obsessed. You can see how terrible Norway are in football..
Doesn't change anything.
Look again at the post I replied to:
Coach Cookie wrote:
Good thing these guys are Norwegian or I'd think they're DOPED TO THE GILLS!!!
The point I'm making is that every awesome performance needs to be viewed with scrutiny. I' am not saying condemnation. That's for after positive tests and due process. But that sentiment shared by the above quote, that these guys from Norway are above scrutiny, for whatever reason, needs to go away.
Clerk wrote:
TresholdFTW wrote:
You're grasping. First of Petar is not a ski coach, he is a track and field coach (I know you'll love that, but facts are facts) for his kids.
Bjørndalen is nothing. He is not known for keeping is training secret, its all out there in the news and documentaries, and he always invites the national team to come train like him. Never seen an athlete so professional in my entire life. Basically pushed the norwegian national team and other athletes to be fare more professional, set a new standard.
Norways anti-doping system is one of the best in the world. They have the funds to test far more than most nations.
Regarding wax for skies, Norway is truly "financially doping" to get ahead in cross country skiing. But, cross country skiing is not a big sport in many nations other than Norway. Even Sweden isn't nearly as obsessed. You can see how terrible Norway are in football..
Doesn't change anything.
Look again at the post I replied to:
Coach Cookie wrote:
Good thing these guys are Norwegian or I'd think they're DOPED TO THE GILLS!!!
The point I'm making is that every awesome performance needs to be viewed with scrutiny. I' am not saying condemnation. That's for after positive tests and due process. But that sentiment shared by the above quote, that these guys from Norway are above scrutiny, for whatever reason, needs to go away.
I'm not saying they are above scrutiny, but you are basically creating something where there is nothing (or very little). Your comments on the wax and Bjørndalen is completely ridiculous, you didn't even know what sport Petar coached.
Does someone have a video of the race?
BREAKING: EPO works for 17 year old Norwegians too!
Mahavishnu1500 wrote:
BREAKING: EPO works for 17 year old Norwegians too!
hahaha What now Coevett?
This kid could become the greatest of all time.
The burden of proof doesn't work that way. Unless you can prove that Kwemoi and Gebriwet weren't sub 20 you're just speculating.
Jakob ran amazingly in both the 1500m and 5000m. I thought that Mechal and Lewandowsky would win the 5000m/1500m honestly.
There’s no way he would just let him win. Henrik would want to be European champion for 2018. He wouldn’t just let Jakob win 2 events.
Cram and Williamson seem like candidates able to do similar if they were as aggressively trained. Ovett too.