Predictor wrote:
10 minutes for 3200 converts to 9:20. So he is correct that 40 seconds is a good rule of thumb for girls. 9 minutes converts to 8:24 so 36 seconds for boys.
According to whom?
Predictor wrote:
10 minutes for 3200 converts to 9:20. So he is correct that 40 seconds is a good rule of thumb for girls. 9 minutes converts to 8:24 so 36 seconds for boys.
According to whom?
go mary wrote:
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She's a big draw, for sure. She's wise to not jump right into DL meets, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her jump into one or two before this year is up.
I'm a British fan of Mary but sorry, she's only a big draw in the US.
And unless she can get down to 4:04/4:05 shape in a month's time it would make no sense for her to run DLs. What good would it do her if she was nearly the length of the home straight behind the winner? There's plenty of good European meetings that would be entirely more appropriate for her probable level ATM. Even maybe a World Challenge meeting like Zagreb at the beginning of September?
sketchy salazar wrote:
Predictor wrote:
10 minutes for 3200 converts to 9:20. So he is correct that 40 seconds is a good rule of thumb for girls. 9 minutes converts to 8:24 so 36 seconds for boys.
According to whom?
Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.
Overunder wrote:
Will Cain run faster than the top US high school marks from the 2018 outdoor season?
Take 40 seconds off these 3200 times for the approximate 3000 time.
1. 10 Katelyn Tuohy 9:47.88 PR NY North Rockland May 12 Glenn Loucks Games
2. 10 Katelynne Hart 9:52.02 PR IL Glenbard West Apr 21 Sue Pariseau Invitational
3. 12 Olivia Theis 10:03.95 PR MI Lansing Catholic May 04 2018 Shepherd BLUEJAY Invite
4. 11 Ericka VanderLende 10:05.01 PR MI Rockford May 04 2018 Shepherd BLUEJAY Invite
5. 11 Emily Covert 10:06.19 PR MN Minneapolis Washburn Jun 09 MSHSL State Track & Field Championships
6. 12 Mariah Castillo 10:06.47 PR CA Saugus May 19 CIF-SS Division 2 Finals
7. 12 Madelynn Denner 10:08.01 PR CA Oak Ridge Apr 20 60th Annual Mt. SAC Relays (High School Day 1)
8. 12 Anne Forsyth 10:08.07 PR MI Ann Arbor Pioneer Jun 02 MHSAA LP Finals - Division 1
9. 12 Haley Herberg 10:09.54 PR CA Capistrano Valley May 19 CIF-SS Division 2 Finals
10. 12 Elena Denner 10:10.32 PR CA Oak Ridge Jun 02 CIF State Championship Finals
11. 12 Olivia O'Keeffe 10:12.56 PR CA Davis Jun 02 CIF State Championship Finals
12. 11 Adelyn Ackley 10:13.37 PR MI Hart May 04 2018 Shepherd BLUEJAY Invite
13. 12 Gillian Wagner 10:14.11 PR CA Redwood (Larkspur) Apr 07 Arcadia Invitational
14. 12 McKenna Brown 10:15.97 PR CA La Costa Canyon Apr 27 Escondido Invitational
15. 10 Jaden Theis 10:16.04 PR MI Lansing Catholic May 04 2018 Shepherd BLUEJAY Invite
16. 11 Kristin Fahy 10:16.45 PR CA La Costa Canyon Jun 02 CIF State Championship Finals
17. 12 Enyaeva Michelin 10:16.58 PR IL Evanston (Twp.) May 05 New Balance Invitational
18. 12 Elizabeth Funderburk 10:16.71 PR Unattached May 19 Georgia HS Meet of Champions
19. 12 Jacqueline Gaughan 10:17.05 NH Exeter May 18 Seacoast Championship
20. 10 Tori Gaitan 10:17.13 PR CA Great Oak May 19 CIF-SS Division 1 Finals
21. 10 Marlee Starliper 10:17.41 PR PA Northern May 04 Hoka One One Henderson Invitational
22. 11 Claudia Lane 10:18.68 CA Malibu Apr 20 60th Annual Mt. SAC Relays (High School Day 1)
23. 11 Sylvia Cruz-Albrecht 10:18.74 PR CA Oak Park Apr 20 60th Annual Mt. SAC Relays (High School Day 1)
24. 12 Camila Noe 10:18.99 PR MT Bozeman Apr 07 Arcadia Invitational
25. 10 Corie Smith 10:21.51 PR CA Buchanan Apr 07 Arcadia Invitational
26. 12 Abigail Green 10:21.97 PR MD Walter Johnson May 17 MPSSAA 4A West Region
27. 12 Sara Leonard 10:24.41 PR CA Canyon (Anaheim) May 26 CIF-SS Masters Meet
28. 12 Sophie Lasswell 10:24.52 PR TX Conroe Oak Ridge May 12 TX UIL 6A State Championships
29. 12 Jocelyn Long 10:25.01 PR IL Barrington May 19 IHSA 3A Girls State Track & Field Championships
30. 7 Lauren Ping 10:25.12 PR MN Cotter Apr 27 Hamline Elite Meet
31. 11 Sarah Shulze 10:25.23 PR CA Oak Park May 26 CIF-SS Masters Meet
32. 12 Sandra Pflughoft 10:25.32 PR CA Great Oak May 26 CIF-SS Masters Meet
33. 10 London Culbreath 10:25.87 TX McKinney North Apr 28 UIL 5A Region II (F-Sa)
34. 11 Fatima Cortes 10:25.90 PR CA Great Oak Mar 24 Azusa Meet of Champions
35. 12 Sarah Schmitt 10:25.95 PR IL Naperville (North) Apr 21 Sue Pariseau Invitational
36. 11 Mikaela Ramirez 10:26.18 PR CA Ayala Mar 24 Azusa Meet of Champions
37. 11 Meagen Lowe 10:26.32 PR CA Buchanan Jun 02 CIF State Championship Finals
38. 11 Adoette Vaughan 10:26.87 PR TX Hockaday Apr 20 SPC North Zone
39. 11 Rylee Robinson 10:27.22 PR MI Waterford Mott May 04 2018 Shepherd BLUEJAY Invite
40. 11 Kelsey Chmiel 10:27.23 NY Saratoga Springs May 12 Glenn Loucks Games
41. 12 Aubrey Frentheway 10:27.49 PR WY Cheyenne Central Apr 20 60th Annual Mt. SAC Relays (High School Day 1)
42. 11 Alyssa Wolf 10:27.57 PR OH Brunswick Senior Jun 02 OHSAA D1 State Championships
43. 9 Mia Barnett 10:27.82 PR CA Village Christian May 19 CIF-SS Division 4 Finals
44. 11 Emma Wilson 10:27.83 PR IN Greencastle Jun 01 IHSAA Girls State Track & Field Championships (OFFICIAL)
45. 12 Molly Born 10:28.80 KS Shawnee Mission Northwest May 26 KSHSAA State 6A Track & Field Championships
46. 12 Mari Friedman 10:28.94 PR CA Santa Cruz Mar 10 Wildcat Relays
47. 11 Kelli Hines 10:29.28 PR CA Mission Viejo Mar 24 Azusa Meet of Champions
48. 9 Audrey Suarez 10:29.58 PR CA Mayfield Mar 24 Azusa Meet of Champions
49. 9 Julia David-Smith 10:29.70 PR WA Issaquah Mar 29 Mt Si / Issaquah @ Bothell
50. 12 Yukino Parle 10:29.77 PR WA Edmonds-Woodway Apr 21 Eason Invitational
uhhhhhhh tuohy ran 9:05 soooooooo WORONG
Survey says... wrote:
sketchy salazar wrote:
According to whom?
Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.
It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.
sketchy salazar wrote:
Survey says... wrote:
Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.
It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.
Tell that to Jack Daniels. Anyway, you'd be lucky to run another 40 after giving everything you've got that first 3000 and then being told you actually have another 200 to go. Lets say you are a magician and can somehow still add another 37.33. Big fn deal. So subtract 37.33 seconds from the times listed. And then blow yourself with that extra 2.67 seconds you got leftover.
I was thinking there would either be a 1500 or a 3000 or a 5000, and giving her a lane is justified as she is a HUGE draw, her name alone brings fans and gets people talking just look at how many threads on here there were when she was running and even when not running.
LOL. Is Monaco in the US now? No one outside America knows who she is.
I have almost forgotten who she is. Young fans in the US don’t know her. Only a few people outside of the die hard middle aged US fans remember her. People like Muir will feel bad competing against her at this point.
One year past peak form, she was probably in sub 8:50 shape (she ran 8:58 in a tactical race at world junior), which would have put her in the mix for a spot at Monaco if they cared about age. At 17, with 1:59.5/4:04, she was very much in the mix for a sub 4 in a fast paced race, which she never got in. It would be great if she were to get in that kind of shape again.
maybe just maybe? wrote:
sketchy salazar wrote:
It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.
Tell that to Jack Daniels. Anyway, you'd be lucky to run another 40 after giving everything you've got that first 3000 and then being told you actually have another 200 to go. Lets say you are a magician and can somehow still add another 37.33. Big fn deal. So subtract 37.33 seconds from the times listed. And then blow yourself with that extra 2.67 seconds you got leftover.
big green book
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sketchy salazar wrote:
Survey says... wrote:
Jack Daniels. If you want to add or subtract more or less that’s great but either way you’d be talking about a couple second difference which in this context is irrelevant.
It is patently false to think a 9:20 3k is only worth a 10:00 3200m. You don't go from averaging 37.33s for 15 200s to running a 40 by adding one more.
yeah you do....
Predictor wrote:
People like Muir will feel bad competing against her at this point.
I wonder what people like Muir or Houlihan think about Cain at this point. Houlihan and Cain ran their first grown-up nationals in 2013 at Drake. Houlihan was 20, competing on her home track. She ran the 800, and finished next-to-ast in the semis. Cain was 17. She finished 2nd in the 1500 finals, ahead of Rowbury and Uceny. Cain finished 9th in Moscow at Worlds that year; Houlihan was 7th in the NCAA finals.
The next year, Houlihan won the 1500 at NCAAs, and was 7th in the final of the 800 at Nationals. Cain won the 1500 at US Indoors, and once again was 2nd in the 1500 at Nationals, She also won the 3000 at the US and World Juniors.
Houlihan was 21, Cain was 18. It wasn't hard to see who had the brighter future.
This is awesome! Mary Cain seems to have that Alan Webb magic on letsrun. By simply entering a race, she fills our hearts with optimism and keeps us glued to the front page. Win, lose, or anything in between... we’re just happy to have her back! German Fernandez sighting incoming?
We are all hoping for a great return. If she runs a few slow races though,, she will fade out of the LetsRun front page.
douglas burke wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Darn, I was hoping she would run Monaco next week
Just looked up Monaco does not have a 1500 or 3000 or 5000 only an 800 which is not her best event, I guess that is why she is not running.
https://monaco.diamondleague.com/programme-resultats-monaco/
You have to be kidding me, even if they had a 1500 or 3k,Mary has not shown fitness to compete in a diamond league meet.
She will have race a couple of meets or more and show fitness and be competitive.
Full field is up for the Cork women's 3000, this should be a good one. Notably Emily Sisson and Sarah Pagano are also in:
Sport Ireland 3000m WOMEN
ATHLETE COUNTRY PB SB
Genevieve LaCaze AUS 8.52.28 9.22.82
Elinor Purrier USA 8.55.68i 8.55.68i
Linn Nilsson SWE 8.57.89 8.57.89
Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58.14 9.07.18
Mary Cain USA 8.58.48
Charlotte Arter GBR 8.58.48
Sarah Pagano USA 8.58.91 8.58.42
Emily Sisson USA 9.01.02 9.01.02
Marta Freitas POR 9.03.18 9.03.18
Camille Buscomb NZL 9.05.24
Sakiho Tsutsui JPN 9.07.43
Kasumi Nishihara JPN 9.08.50
Andrea Seccafien CAN 9.11.06 9.11.06
Claire Duck GBR 9.11.26
Michelle Finn IRL 9.19.34
It looks like she's still the youngster. I wouldn't be surprised if she also has the oldest PB.
What a story.
Mary will also be racing the 3000 at the Savo Games in Lapinlahti, Finland on July 28th:
3000m
Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58,14/9.07,18
Mary Cain USA 8.58,48/-
Camilla Richardsson VasaIS 9.03,84/9.03,84
Camille Buscomb NZL 9.05,24/-
Andrea Seccafien CAN 9.11,06/9.11,06
Victoria Gyurkes HUN 9.17,97/-
Natalie Tanner GER 9.53,77/-
Ayla Granados/Tori Tsolis USA PACE
It's still a couple of weeks away so the field might fill out a bit.
Entry lists at
http://www.motonetgp.fi/en/node/191
Even if she doesn't win she can admire the view of what must be one of the most beautiful settings for a stadium anywhere:
http://www.motonetgp.fi/sites/default/files/inline-images/valioareena.jpg
PS The Lapinlahti meeting is always televised so there will be a live stream accessible at https://www.firstonetv.net/Live/Finland/Yle-TV2-(YLE-TV-Kaksi)-3
I'm rooting for a comeback. She's got enthusiasm, and is not like most cookie-cutter slightly boring female distance runners. Not naming names.
M.A.G.A...
