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Bekele & Kipchoge have been scared away from the 800 & 1500 because they have no talent. They chose a niche event because that was there only way to win a free t shirt.
A free t shirt or an Olympic gold medal?
Dumb post requires similar reply wrote:
Bekele & Kipchoge have been scared away from the 800 & 1500 because they have no talent. They chose a niche event because that was there only way to win a free t shirt.
A free t shirt or an Olympic gold medal?
zzzz wrote:
You found a listing of his PRs that happens to have a major typo. Hint: He made and was competitive in the final round of the NCAA Division1 Championships steeplechase.
So we are supposed to be impressed if his steeple PB was 8:41 instead of 9:41? How many runners make the D1 steeple final every year?
Rhso wrote:
I don’t know anyone who is a serious professional/collegiate level track fan and also a big fan of ultrarunning. The two are barely similar.
Can someone who is a serious professional/collegiate level track fan also be a fan of baseball? Is baseball similar? What about more similar events, am I allowed to be a fan of the high jump and the long jump? Is someone who is a good long jumper only a legitimate athlete if they are also a good high jumper? Do they also need to be good at the pole vault?
Your post is idiotic. You can be a fan of different sports. You can even be a fan of different running events. Bolt was a really fast 100m guy; I don't think he would win a 1500, or 5k, or 10k or half marathon or marathon. What is there to be gained from comparing someone's ability in different sporting events; it's speculation with no purpose. Is a 100m guy less of an athlete than an 800m guy? And on and on the argument goes. Do I think the guy who wins a 100 mile race would be a good 800m runner? I don't think about it because why would I? Train for your event, do your event. If someone thinks they can beat you at your event, let them. Until they step up and beat the person at the event, it's just comes across as some weird insecurity. The events are different and require different skill sets and training. Being good at one running event/distance does not guarantee you will be good at all running events/distances. Let it go.
Rhso wrote:
I don’t know anyone who is a serious professional/collegiate level track fan and also a big fan of ultrarunning. The two are barely similar.
I am a fan of both, and I suspect that a large portion of running fans are fans of both. It's all running. The trolls here on both sides (including the OP) mess up the perception. I don't even race long distances. In my 33 years of running, I've only done three races marathon-length or longer.
Rhso wrote:
I don’t know anyone who is a serious professional/collegiate level track fan and also a big fan of ultrarunning. The two are barely similar.
RIGHT HERE BRO
I'm one of those super-nerd fans for both MUT (mountain ultra trail) and track/field/roads. field events too but to a lesser degree.
Just wanted to point out that a Japanese runner just went 6:09:14 for a 100K World Record (Road). "Only" a 2:17 marathoner.
From Irunfar(dot)com:
"100k World Record at the Lake Saroma 100k
It was a world record for Nao Kazami at the Lake Saroma 100k in his home Japan. Kazami split 2:33 for the marathon and was dropped from the front group near halfway but largely held form to regain the lead and finish in 6:09:14. That’s 5:57 per mile pace. He was four minutes better than the road world record of 6:13:33, set on this same course 20 years ago by Takahiro Sunada, and one minute better than the late Don Ritchie‘s track world record of 6:10:20 set in 1978. Kazami is a 2:17 marathoner"
Collegiate PB wrote:
zzzz wrote:
You found a listing of his PRs that happens to have a major typo. Hint: He made and was competitive in the final round of the NCAA Division1 Championships steeplechase.
So we are supposed to be impressed if his steeple PB was 8:41 instead of 9:41? How many runners make the D1 steeple final every year?
Twelve. And those same guys, if they continue, are where we find contenders for the US Olympic team in the steeplechase in future years. How are you a track fan if you don't think athletes that make the final round at NCAAs in track are top of class?
zzzz wrote:
Collegiate PB wrote:
So we are supposed to be impressed if his steeple PB was 8:41 instead of 9:41? How many runners make the D1 steeple final every year?
Twelve. And those same guys, if they continue, are where we find contenders for the US Olympic team in the steeplechase in future years. How are you a track fan if you don't think athletes that make the final round at NCAAs in track are top of class?
Any of those 12 is better than most people who are posting on this board. So yeah, he is better than me. But that's besides the point. Are you equally impressed with all the other 11 finalists?
Collegiate PB wrote:
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Bekele & Kipchoge have been scared away from the 800 & 1500 because they have no talent. They chose a niche event because that was there only way to win a free t shirt.
A free t shirt or an Olympic gold medal?
you mean the gold plated zinc medal that's worth the same as the ultra belt buckle??
Youre just a closet homo.
Maybe, but if and when I come out of that closet, it won't be at an 8:30 shuffle pace.
TrollHater wrote:
And for all you trolls....he split nearly an 8:30min mile for 100 miles so no talk about him walking it or 70% of it. He RAN it.
2018 Western States 100 Men’s Race
It was a special day in the 2018 Western States 100 men’s race, with not only a stout men’s race overall, but also a new course record set by Jim Walmsley (pre-race and post-race interviews). Let’s look at both storylines individually.
Jim Walmsley’s Western States 100 Course Record
This was well and truly one for the record books. Jim Walmsley set a new Western States 100 course record of 14:30:04. It behooves us to equally well and truly break down how he did it. Let’s do this.
In his pre-race interview, Jim said he was looking at a 15-hour race, meaning his plan was to run at a swift but not unheard-of-before-at-Western-States pace. At the finish line, he additionally added that his spilt sheet called for a 14:53 finish.
Jim took the first 15 miles positively chill—and according to plan, it seems—arriving to Red Star Ridge (mile 15) four minutes over course-record pace. Almost 15 miles later at the Robinson Flat aid station (mile 30), he had picked up a little steam as he was two minutes under record pace. From there, though, the plan must have gone out the window as he positively let it rip.
2018 Western States 100 - Jim Walmsley - Robinson Flat
Jim Walmsley floating into Robinson Flat in the lead. Photo: iRunFar/Bryon Powell
At Dusty Corners (mile 38), he ran through at a full 16 minutes under, gaining 14 minutes on record pace in 7.7 miles. Ahem. Did you get that? At Devil’s Thumb (mile 48), he was, again, 14 minutes under. Michigan Bluff (mile 56) 16 under. Foresthill (mile 62) 19 under. It went on like this until the Rucky Chucky river crossing (mile 78) when he passed through 26 minutes under record pace, what we believe was his maximal gap under record pace.
The iRunFar team consistently reported that Jim spent minutes at a time in the aid stations. That is, anywhere from three-to-five-minute stays were regular for him. He’d sit, take off his shoes, get iced and watered down, and feed. Regular stays of this frequency in aid are more of a European thing than an American one, so it struck us as notable. Perhaps Jim is starting yet another American ultra trend? And perhaps hidden in this strategy was the rest time which enabled him to sustain such fast running paces when he was on the trail? Interesting, certainly, and worthy of future consideration.
From the river crossing (mile 78), he began to give time back, but not so much that it ever seemed his record finish was in danger. Of course, because of his 2016 effort here, we all held our breaths when he went in the river and again when he was on his way to that crucial left turn. Jim said at the finish that he hung onto the rope whilst crossing the river and that there were two spectators awaiting him at that left turn. Just when we thought Jim’s passage was free and clear of obstacles, word came in that he was delayed by a mother black bear and her two cubs somewhere before the Pointed Rocks aid station (mile 94). Jim surprised the trio, the cubs treed themselves, and mama stayed nearby in protection. After a couple minutes, he was able to pass.
Now, finally, it was just Jim and the last few miles of the Western States Trail. When he arrived to the finish in 14:30:04, he won by a massive margin and was 16 minutes and 40 seconds under the previous course record of 14:46:44. At the finish, Jim said that getting the record hurt and that “Tim [Olson, the previous record holder,] is a bad, bad man.”
Mark it in the record books: Jim put together mind and body in near-perfect synergy to run his heart out and inspire a community of ultrarunners. I don’t know whose emotions were stronger at the finish (and perhaps around the ultrarunning world following online), Jim’s or everyone else’s. It’s a massive pleasure to see such a look of satisfaction on his face.
I get on this site because it's a guilty pleasure of mine and because my love of allll forms of running overtakes the nonsense this site creates. I am not blasting you the OP, just the beta male clowns that gain a strength edge over online trolling because that's the strongest part of their running. Some of the comments to this thread highlight the mentality some of your lives are saturated with. It's a shame instead of finding inspiration and appreciation for what took place on Saturday, you'll instead take the time to cite Jim's PRs in college on the track, and that's why he took up ultra running? Wow.. It's a total clown show on these threads. Ignorance to the highest power. I feel sorry for runners like you that bring down the overall positive energy of the sport, and at the end of the day, what this sport is all about. If running is only about the fastest interval or 5k track time, enjoy your running until about 25.
llort_vbo wrote:
Youre just a closet homo.
Maybe, but if and when I come out of that closet, it won't be at an 8:30 shuffle pace.
Come on dude, you're not even trolling at a high level. Anyone that has done any trail running at all, of any length, will appreciate how difficult it would be to run 100 miles at all, at any pace, let alone to average 8:30 with breaks and stops included.
The point is not to diminish walmsley s NCAA accomplishment but to put them in their proper place to illustrate how NON competitive the ultras are.
If there are say 50 athletes better than walmsley every year that choose to either stop the sport or go to the roads- whose to say that maybe half have more talent than him in an ultra.
When you stop making money, and collegiate track is a scholarship, and you stop offering money- you have walmsley vs a bunch of non talented athletes.
You guys do know Jim frequents these boards, right?
Oh Please wrote:
llort_vbo wrote:
Maybe, but if and when I come out of that closet, it won't be at an 8:30 shuffle pace.
Come on dude, you're not even trolling at a high level. Anyone that has done any trail running at all, of any length, will appreciate how difficult it would be to run 100 miles at all, at any pace, let alone to average 8:30 with breaks and stops included.
I think this guy may be confused and is thinking that the pace that is being talked about is on the flat roads where he is often beaten by teen girls running at 7:30 pace in the local 5k. It's like an olympic rower used to powering 2,000 meters at 18mph on a calm lake making fun of ocean crossing rowers averaging 2.5mph.
Well done with bringing out the haters. Running 100 miles in one day is mind boggling to me. The mental strength that requires is something I can hardly fathom. Ultras are a bit of a privileged white person realm, because who has the time and money to do this stuff, but I still admire the people that do this stuff well.
beta males will beta male wrote:It's a shame instead of finding inspiration and appreciation for what took place on Saturday, you'll instead take the time to cite Jim's PRs in college on the track, and that's why he took up ultra running?
If he had beaten Don Cabral in the NCAA final, would he have pursued ultra running instead of the Olympic SC?
1 Donn Cabral SR Princeton 8:38.12 8:35.44 10
2 Craig Forys SR Michigan 8:39.53 8:40.66 8
3 Cory Leslie SR Ohio State 8:41.45 8:40.98 6
4 Henry Lelei JR Texas A&M 8:39.09 8:42.07 5
5 Travis Mahoney SR Temple 8:40.28 8:43.29 4
6 Anthony Rotich FR UTEP 8:41.14 8:46.01 3
7 De'Sean Turner SR Indiana 8:44.99 8:46.04 2
8 Carl Stones SR Tulsa 8:39.70 8:46.67 1
9 Adrien Dannemiller SR Indiana 8:42.17 8:47.86
10 Aric VanHalen JR Colorado 8:42.55 8:50.64
11 Benjamin Johnson SR Stanford 8:41.61 8:52.96
12 Jim Walmsley SR Air Force 8:41.05 8:57.99
13 Tom Wade SR Lamar 8:40.50 9:03.59
14 Andrew Poore SR Indiana 8:42.50 9:25.95
https://www.flotrack.org/results/5995882-2012-ncaa-division-i-outdoor-championships/2185ped estrian wrote:
I want to know if he was drug tested.
Top 10 get drug tested and several randoms
Walmsley! wrote:
Great job by Walmsley! He is now in the history books.
Can he get the Hardrock record as well?
Right now, three of the big events have these guys as record holders:
1) UTMB - D'haene : 19:01:32
2) WS 100 - Walmsley: 14:30:04
3) Hardrock - Clockwise - Jornet: 22:41:33
CCW -Jornet: 23:28:10
Jim isnt a mountain runner yet. He trains for desert races and has the heat advantage. But running in high elevation cold weather is an entirely different type of running. He gets by on raw talent...but....chasing down euros in the alps....hes still mid pack elite. Unless he starts working in the san juans for UTMB this summer....hes not going to beat Francois or Kilian of thevenard
Collegiate PB wrote:
beta males will beta male wrote:It's a shame instead of finding inspiration and appreciation for what took place on Saturday, you'll instead take the time to cite Jim's PRs in college on the track, and that's why he took up ultra running?
If he had beaten Don Cabral in the NCAA final, would he have pursued ultra running instead of the Olympic SC?
1 Donn Cabral SR Princeton 8:38.12 8:35.44 10
2 Craig Forys SR Michigan 8:39.53 8:40.66 8
3 Cory Leslie SR Ohio State 8:41.45 8:40.98 6
4 Henry Lelei JR Texas A&M 8:39.09 8:42.07 5
5 Travis Mahoney SR Temple 8:40.28 8:43.29 4
6 Anthony Rotich FR UTEP 8:41.14 8:46.01 3
7 De'Sean Turner SR Indiana 8:44.99 8:46.04 2
8 Carl Stones SR Tulsa 8:39.70 8:46.67 1
9 Adrien Dannemiller SR Indiana 8:42.17 8:47.86
10 Aric VanHalen JR Colorado 8:42.55 8:50.64
11 Benjamin Johnson SR Stanford 8:41.61 8:52.96
12 Jim Walmsley SR Air Force 8:41.05 8:57.99
13 Tom Wade SR Lamar 8:40.50 9:03.59
14 Andrew Poore SR Indiana 8:42.50 9:25.95
https://www.flotrack.org/results/5995882-2012-ncaa-division-i-outdoor-championships/2185
Lol. Walsmley finished much further back than 12th in many mountain races. That didn't deter him from pursuing that discipline. Did you by chance ever think he enjoys mountain running more than SC?
Even if he finished a consistent 4th, 5th in DLs and World Champs SC, what would that mean for him financially? Even though that would be world class in the SC he wouldn't be doing any better than finishing in the top 5 in ultras and winning sometimes.