Maybe some people should do some research, take a look at NB's data driven design with fresh foam, and do some critical thinking. The beacon is just this on steroids. Not sure why anyone would want to run on a massive block of uneven foam, now factor in hardly any blown rubber, and the way the foam will degrade and wear. Everyone I know that runs in it has multiple injuries a year.
theJeff wrote:
Miami Advice wrote:
No, I'm A LOT faster than you.
That’s great; please keep me posted.
No, my time is more valuable than that so you'll have to keep yourself posted. My marathon pr is probably 45-60 minutes ahead of yours, so that should help you narrow things down when searching for results. Good luck with your local 5k on Saturday. I'm rooting for you to break 23!
lollingallthewaytothesportsmedicinedoctor wrote:
Maybe some people should do some research, take a look at NB's data driven design with fresh foam, and do some critical thinking. The beacon is just this on steroids. Not sure why anyone would want to run on a massive block of uneven foam, now factor in hardly any blown rubber, and the way the foam will degrade and wear. Everyone I know that runs in it has multiple injuries a year.
That is interesting, since it hasn’t been released yet.
Miami Advice wrote:
theJeff wrote:
That’s great; please keep me posted.
No, my time is more valuable than that so you'll have to keep yourself posted. My marathon pr is probably 45-60 minutes ahead of yours, so that should help you narrow things down when searching for results. Good luck with your local 5k on Saturday. I'm rooting for you to break 23!
Please tell me my PRs and your PRs. I would love to have a goal to dream about.
theJeff wrote:
lollingallthewaytothesportsmedicinedoctor wrote:
Maybe some people should do some research, take a look at NB's data driven design with fresh foam, and do some critical thinking. The beacon is just this on steroids. Not sure why anyone would want to run on a massive block of uneven foam, now factor in hardly any blown rubber, and the way the foam will degrade and wear. Everyone I know that runs in it has multiple injuries a year.
That is interesting, since it hasn’t been released yet.
Fresh foam has been out for quite awhile. Perhaps I should have qualified it as "everyone I know that runs in fresh foam has multiple injuries a year". I assumed that would be obvious what with the beacon not yet released.
Has new balanced paid for any magazine shoe awards of the year for this unreleased shoe yet? They were quite aggressive with it for the 1980 -> Zante when it was first released.
peanutsz wrote:
Why is there so little rubber on the sole??? I'd happily add an ounce or two to increase durability
Because hobbyjoggers today are obsessed by shoe weight. Someting we got from the minimalist movement.
lollingallthewaytothesportsmedicinedoctor wrote:
theJeff wrote:
That is interesting, since it hasn’t been released yet.
Fresh foam has been out for quite awhile. Perhaps I should have qualified it as "everyone I know that runs in fresh foam has multiple injuries a year". I assumed that would be obvious what with the beacon not yet released.
Has new balanced paid for any magazine shoe awards of the year for this unreleased shoe yet? They were quite aggressive with it for the 1980 -> Zante when it was first released.
Apparently, they have only paid me up to this point ;-)
It looked like you were referring to the “massive block of (fresh) foam”. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
I normally share your dislike for thick midsoles. This one just feels different from any of the other mushy ones. I cannot tolerate Cliftons or any of the Altra Marshmallows... but this one feels secure, safe, and just so incredibly light. We will see. You have my word that if I develop a crippling injury anytime soon, I will be back to warn everyone off. (Doing all my quality in Freedoms and ERacers; using these for easy runs only).
well,, wrote:
peanutsz wrote:
Why is there so little rubber on the sole??? I'd happily add an ounce or two to increase durability
Because hobbyjoggers today are obsessed by shoe weight. Someting we got from the minimalist movement.
This is true: No elite cares what their shoes weigh. In fact, many elites prefer their flats in the 11-12oz range, just so they can brag about winning in them afterwards.
I’m late here, but I want to remind everybody still tuning in that Jeff is neither a real runner nor a real running fan. He has huge clown feet (size 14+?) and is both very heavy and very slow, relatively speaking. His advice will not apply to anyone who is not also big, heavy, and slow.
Ehso wrote:
I’m late here, but I want to remind everybody still tuning in that Jeff is neither a real runner nor a real running fan. He has huge clown feet (size 14+?) and is both very heavy and very slow, relatively speaking. His advice will not apply to anyone who is not also big, heavy, and slow.
All of this is true (except that I am not a real running fan; not sure what that is about.)
It may also be worth noting that I have improved more since age 30 than anyone in here, I am considerably faster than anyone I have ever met within 20 pounds of me, I have qualified to start in the first wave of every major marathon I have run, despite being 6’4” 210lbs, and I have coached multiple championship teams.
So yes, my shoe needs may be different from someone who weighs 130 (for instance, I really like TPU midsoles, where as many lighter runners don’t get the same benefit or consider them too harsh), but to assume I don’t know what the fvck I am talking about would be a mistake.
theJeff wrote:
Miami Advice wrote:
No, my time is more valuable than that so you'll have to keep yourself posted. My marathon pr is probably 45-60 minutes ahead of yours, so that should help you narrow things down when searching for results. Good luck with your local 5k on Saturday. I'm rooting for you to break 23!
Please tell me my PRs and your PRs. I would love to have a goal to dream about.
Nope, you'll have to keep dreaming without knowing. It's killing you inside, but hey, you asked for it shill. Out of pure kindness, I'm under 2:28 and the shoes that you speak of are awful...shill.
Miami Advice wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Please tell me my PRs and your PRs. I would love to have a goal to dream about.
Nope, you'll have to keep dreaming without knowing. It's killing you inside, but hey, you asked for it shill. Out of pure kindness, I'm under 2:28 and the shoes that you speak of are awful...shill.
That is a great 800 time for a girl. Good on you!
Miami Advice wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Please tell me my PRs and your PRs. I would love to have a goal to dream about.
Nope, you'll have to keep dreaming without knowing. It's killing you inside, but hey, you asked for it shill. Out of pure kindness, I'm under 2:28 and the shoes that you speak of are awful...shill.
You think he is slow, but you think NB has asked him to represent their brand? How do you think that works?
Also, I am 99% sure these things haven’t even come out yet, so how can you know if they are “awful”?
theJeff wrote:
Miami Advice wrote:
Nope, you'll have to keep dreaming without knowing. It's killing you inside, but hey, you asked for it shill. Out of pure kindness, I'm under 2:28 and the shoes that you speak of are awful...shill.
That is a great 800 time for a girl. Good on you!
Whenever you want to lace them up big boy and put money where you're uneducated mouth is, please let me know. For the right price I'll fly to you and spot you 15 minutes in the marathon, possibly 20. This is the part where you say, I don't bet and I'm an anonymous unknown championship winning coach who can't be found out because everyone will flock to me for running 3:15 in the marathon---LOL!!!!
You claim to be a 2:28, and you think I am a 3:15. You would only spot 15, possibly 20 minutes to someone who is that much slower than you? You have some real confidence issues, bless your heart.
Let me help you out: I, theJeff, freely admit that the anonymous person on the internet is better than I am at something.
There, now print that bad boy off and tape it to the fridge. All better?
lollingallthewaytothesportsmedicinedoctor wrote:
theJeff wrote:
That is interesting, since it hasn’t been released yet.
Fresh foam has been out for quite awhile. Perhaps I should have qualified it as "everyone I know that runs in fresh foam has multiple injuries a year". I assumed that would be obvious what with the beacon not yet released.
Has new balanced paid for any magazine shoe awards of the year for this unreleased shoe yet? They were quite aggressive with it for the 1980 -> Zante when it was first released.
Yes the Fresh foam Vongos caused me horrendous problems, and I'm not sure the Zantes are helping me because since I've been using them I have had injuries. But I honestly don't know any other light weight trainer I can use for none track threshold work. The Boston 6 is just too hard on my lower limbs.
New Balance Borocay gave me 2 metatarsal fractures, the only fractures of my running career
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkY7W6kCRY4ABCD. wrote:
New Balance Borocay gave me 2 metatarsal fractures, the only fractures of my running career
Hey theJeff - a few weeks in, how are they working out for you? Any obvious wear issues?
No obvious signs of wear. There are still my favorite recovery shoes I have ever had. They are so light, I am going to try some faster stuff and them.
Several 10 milers in them, and could not be happier.