Given that his side of the story has a fairly narrow scope of characters (Simon, Mbugu, and him), how easy is it to force (via subpoena?) lie detector tests for all parties involved?
Given that his side of the story has a fairly narrow scope of characters (Simon, Mbugu, and him), how easy is it to force (via subpoena?) lie detector tests for all parties involved?
His story is so weak, it’s laughable.
Clerk wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:
A few thoughts,
1) These guys called and warned him of the test. There is no mention that this was the first time or that it was any surprise. We are left to assume this is always the way it goes. There's really no verification he was warned though.
2) They asked for money (smart to transfer electronically so it is verifiable). No surprise from Kiprop? No questions about what it's for? Just says "ok i'll go get some" and assume it's "personal needs"? Again, we are left to assume this is always the way it goes, and Kiprop knew it was a bribe.
3) He implies that his bribe wasn't enough so his sample was tainted. The doesn't make sense. If they know he is willing to bribe them and it wasn't enough, they would simply ask for more. Second, he insinuated they tainted it while he went to get the money! There isn't a reasonable motive for them to taint the sample
4) It was a urine sample not a blood sample. If the "experts" on these boards are to be believed, that is the easiest type of test to beat (doesn't show up within 24hrs?). So he would have either taken a very large dose or taken a dose after he was warned of the test (if he was warned.)
I addressed this in the other thread. Can a mod merge these two conversations?
which thread?
Obviously, there is a big fight going on and this public response is part of it. Kiprop is negotiating for the best he can get out of it and throwing shade on to anti-doping is part of it. Certainly, many of us have pondered the probability that doping is so rampant because the testing organizations and even whistle blowers, have to keep a lid on the dirt that comes out on them if they bust or push the wrong people.
I love that people are reading this and actually saying ‘oh, now I’ve seen the response, I think he’s innocent’
The whole thing is completely barking. This is nandrolone in my toothpaste barking, too much sex and beer barking, doorbell doesn’t work barking.
Racist assumptions wrote:
Are Americans racist?
https://twitter.com/adharanand/status/991768753246490624
Author of 'Running with the Kenyans'. No vested interest there then in maintaining the racist myth of East African genetic supremacy.
Two threads on this have been merged.
I don't care if he cheated or not. I like that dude. I've seen a number of interviews with him.
Also, he looks like an alien, which makes me like him even more. Shape of his head, cheekbones, eye sockets, insanely long limbs, ridiculously thin. Legend!
this maybe? wrote:
The only way it all makes sense is if Kiprop used to bribe in order to be notified of the tests within 24 hours, but the dose he took was so large that it didn't vanish in 24 hours.
Being called 24-hours ahead of an unannounced test is perfectly normal.
The bribe would be to not test positive.
The Lawyer tried....................................................HA,HA,HA he really tried
Jerry Dial wrote:
Has anyone provided a valid explanation as to why Kiprop would be taking EPO 7 months before competition.
And why is the result being leaked instead of being officially announced?
And why are they leaking the info 7 months after the test was taken. Does it usually take this long?
SJW types are such brainwashed idiots. Literally all of the top Africans are cheats. And have been cheats since 1987. You can bet Johnny Gray is having a good laugh about this. HE KNOWS. lol
The Africans have a lot of talented people. But their top talents without drugs aren't all that far ahead of others with talent, if they're ahead of them at all. Hopefully honest officials will resist the pressures of different types that will try and force them to let Kiprop off a la that shameful cheat Lagat, never mind others like Ngeny, Kipchoge, etc.
Coevett wrote:
Racist assumptions wrote:
Are Americans racist?
https://twitter.com/adharanand/status/991768753246490624Author of 'Running with the Kenyans'. No vested interest there then in maintaining the racist myth of East African genetic supremacy.
There's big "power" behind trying to make Westerners believe they're inferior in all endeavors, and the usual suspects are behind it. They've protected their pets in many areas including sports for decades.
It all falls down wrote:
Jerry Dial wrote:
Has anyone provided a valid explanation as to why Kiprop would be taking EPO 7 months before competition.
And why is the result being leaked instead of being officially announced?
And why are they leaking the info 7 months after the test was taken. Does it usually take this long?
SJW types are such brainwashed idiots. Literally all of the top Africans are cheats. And have been cheats since 1987. You can bet Johnny Gray is having a good laugh about this. HE KNOWS. lol
The Africans have a lot of talented people. But their top talents without drugs aren't all that far ahead of others with talent, if they're ahead of them at all. Hopefully honest officials will resist the pressures of different types that will try and force them to let Kiprop off a la that shameful cheat Lagat, never mind others like Ngeny, Kipchoge, etc.
These kind of idiotic posts should be banned from LR
Hdjdjd wrote:
Given that his side of the story has a fairly narrow scope of characters (Simon, Mbugu, and him), how easy is it to force (via subpoena?) lie detector tests for all parties involved?
Lie detectors are bs but if doping is illegal where you are the police ought to be able to examine phone and bank records. Like is there a pattern of payments on test days in the past? That would be most interesting to know. Was there an incoming phone call from the testind dude on the day before? Can they explain why that was? etc
The real hoot? Kiprop is a flipping policeman himself. If this was a country with decent respect for the law he could have arrested them on the spot (for, eg, attempted bribery).
https://twitter.com/SaddiqueShaban/status/992057265552273409Is it the law wrote:
Hdjdjd wrote:
Given that his side of the story has a fairly narrow scope of characters (Simon, Mbugu, and him), how easy is it to force (via subpoena?) lie detector tests for all parties involved?
Lie detectors are bs but if doping is illegal where you are the police ought to be able to examine phone and bank records. Like is there a pattern of payments on test days in the past? That would be most interesting to know. Was there an incoming phone call from the testind dude on the day before? Can they explain why that was? etc
The real hoot? Kiprop is a flipping policeman himself. If this was a country with decent respect for the law he could have arrested them on the spot (for, eg, attempted bribery).
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
https://twitter.com/SaddiqueShaban/status/992057265552273409Is it the law wrote:
Lie detectors are bs but if doping is illegal where you are the police ought to be able to examine phone and bank records. Like is there a pattern of payments on test days in the past? That would be most interesting to know. Was there an incoming phone call from the testind dude on the day before? Can they explain why that was? etc
The real hoot? Kiprop is a flipping policeman himself. If this was a country with decent respect for the law he could have arrested them on the spot (for, eg, attempted bribery).
Thanks for that update, It's hard to know where to start in analysing this story. The prior warning could well invalidate the whole test. But then again, did the DCO report the payment promptly? or at all? presumably not. Perhaps all three should do some jail time.
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
https://twitter.com/SaddiqueShaban/status/992057265552273409Is it the law wrote:
Lie detectors are bs but if doping is illegal where you are the police ought to be able to examine phone and bank records. Like is there a pattern of payments on test days in the past? That would be most interesting to know. Was there an incoming phone call from the testind dude on the day before? Can they explain why that was? etc
The real hoot? Kiprop is a flipping policeman himself. If this was a country with decent respect for the law he could have arrested them on the spot (for, eg, attempted bribery).
Rudisha asks, 'who is responsible'?
https://twitter.com/rudishadavid/status/992047631672205312From personal experience, as related to athletes we assist with Whereabouts:
Most of OOC tests (ADAK or IAAF (including World Marathon Majors)) are done without announcement. Blood and / or urine.
Some are purposefully done with announcement and that makes sense from BP / SP point of view, just as another data point to record and analyse with other data points which are from unannounced OOC tests. This is my theory, without getting any explanation from anyone who is more informed about protocols.
Most of athletes we assist with Whereabouts have 1h slot in the evenings - After 19h.
Many get tested in the mornings, outside of 1h slot - 05h to 07h, sometimes at home, sometimes at "meeting" spots for the runs - including blood sample being collected in testers' cars, as athletes prefer to have test done and go train with the group that is waiting for them instead of going home and being forced to train alone, as group would usually not wait.
Morning tests and early afternoon tests are done probably so that samples can make it to Nairobi before late afternoon, then paperwork gets done and samples can be flown to Europe, Qatar and elsewhere overnight.
Over long period of time, I would say that only one athlete we assist with Whereabouts was target-tested or, at least, that is how it looked to me for a period of time. This athlete is running on a similar level now / during several months long perceived target-testing period - as was the case before he was added to OOC.
Some of athletes we assist with Whereabouts were tested on Nairobi airport before or after travel to / from competitions. I believe this makes sense and is useful as a test.
I heard of no real regularities from any athletes - Apart of DCOs sometimes calling athletes from the phone that is visible, in cases when they can't find athlete's house or can't find athlete in the "compound", as this potentially could be problematical, as athlete would know testers number, which theoretically can pose some kind of, again, theoretical risk.
This is demystifying whole process a bit. It is what it is and, again, this is just one personal experience, as related to athletes we assist with Whereabouts. Some of information is first-hand, some is as shared by athletes we assist with Whereabouts.
my trust in the goodness of humanity
This? From a Kenyan, no less?
Wrong wrong wrong wrote:
Hopingforthebesthere wrote:
Kiprop to me is very fishy because of Rosa’s, but most alleged dopers do not put out statements like this one. I hope the best for Asrop and most importantly that the truth comes out.
Unlike Western world, there's not a bunch of media acolytes to lie to (Lance Armstrong).