Meet Switzerland's Julien Wanders - The 21-year-old who just ran a 60:09 half-marathon NR last weekend

get the trolls out of here wrote:

Skeptical Chap wrote:

1. There are approximately 30,000 white Kenyans. While they may not care about athletics per se, they do care about money. As we all know , track & field is very lucrative.

Hahaha! Okay, your trolling just got a little too obvious. Congrats on a good run.

Oh come on. Track & Field is very lucrative, if you didn't know.

Well I'm sure this one didn't have to worry about any of that. An aristocrat locked up in a Kenyan prison is worse than hell itself. Granted, he brought it upon himself.

Well, this Wanders kid is sure built more like a Kenyan than Moen, anyway.

I'd rather not speak ill of the dead, but you are right. It's sad that people like him make the news and give others a bad reputation.

jaliet wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5a8QOTf_9M

So his mum is french? They're coming off as kinda desperate to claim him. ?

French record holder ?

https://www.trackandlife.fr/pourquoi-chrono-wanders-nouveau-record-france/

Test 123

Skeptical chap wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

The previous best Half Marathon by a Swiss runner was 60:42 by Tadesse Abraham in 2015, The Swiss have had a few good Mid Distance runners like 142 for 800 runner Andre Bucher, 3:31 for 1500 Pierre Deleze and 13:07 for 5000 Markus Ryffel

Tadesse Abraham is not "Swiss" by any measure. He's Ethiopian. A passport doesn't make him really "Swiss" now does it?

Which proves my point. There's nothing in the air down there. It's pure genetic make up.

How come the white farmers in that part of the world- whose lineages have been there for centuries- have never become world beating athletes?

https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/uasin-gishu/Where-both-whites-and-blacks-farm-thousands-of-acres--/1183334-1140182-kr25of/index.html

Because they make up maybe 0.1% of the population? Because they're less likely to EPO dope? Because of racism they no doubt encounter when they show potential? Have you heard of Chris Froome or Zola Budd btw?

The talk of passports making Africans a different nationality got me literally thinking of Alaskan Malamutes. Most of them are born all over the world, so can we still call them Alaskan Malamutes, or base on where there born. So if I got a malamute born in Mauritania, it would be a Mauritanian Malamute?

zcxvxcvzcx wrote:

Come on, think about it. You run in Kenya at medium altitude with hills and soft dirt roads everywhere, most distractions removed, and by far the best of all, enormous numbers of fantastic training partners available every day in a place devoted to distance running, and how can you not improve? Who was the last Swiss athlete to approach 60 in the half?

By the way, this was nearly predicted by someone in a thread on the site before the race, where it was argued that Wanders was going to break 60 in Barcelona.

Exactly.

It has little to do with weather, its more to do with culture. If you hang in a place with a history of fast runners, you reset your expectations.

America is full of men with high aspiration and low expectations.

You need a history of success to fall back on, and an opportunity to rub shoulders. This country is huge, track and field is small. Athletic greatness should be high in a country with so many resources and so many people. But its too disconnected.

Skeptical chap wrote:

Do these people imagine there's some magic in the air in Kenya that will assist them become better runners?

Delusional at beat.

Stop sipping your lattes you west coast pleb and start the true life of hard work and focus.

Coevett wrote:

Skeptical chap wrote:

Tadesse Abraham is not "Swiss" by any measure. He's Ethiopian. A passport doesn't make him really "Swiss" now does it?

Which proves my point. There's nothing in the air down there. It's pure genetic make up.

How come the white farmers in that part of the world- whose lineages have been there for centuries- have never become world beating athletes?

https://www.nation.co.ke/counties/uasin-gishu/Where-both-whites-and-blacks-farm-thousands-of-acres--/1183334-1140182-kr25of/index.html

Because they make up maybe 0.1% of the population? Because they're less likely to EPO dope? Because of racism they no doubt encounter when they show potential? Have you heard of Chris Froome or Zola Budd btw?

1. Chris Froome is a convicted doper, which kinda contradicts your point.

2. Zola Budd? Christ, that's like 40 years ago. You might as well throw in Sebastian Coe in there while you're at it.

3. All the top American runners are of Kenyan descent. Which further proves my point.

Skeptical chap wrote:

3. All the top American runners are of Kenyan descent. Which further proves my point.

What point is that?

Dropping in .... wrote:

Skeptical chap wrote:

3. All the top American runners are of Kenyan descent. Which further proves my point.

What point is that?

Don't try reasoning with idiots. This guy cannot, and will not ever grasp the obvious.

Skeptical Chap wrote:

2. All those people you listed who trained in Kenya never became world beating athletes. Sure, they improved their timings here and there, but let's face it, that won't win them any Olympic / World Championship medals or the major marathons. It's a waste of time if indeed the objective is to become a professional runner.

-Ritz got a bronze in the World Half Marathon Championships.

-Dos Santos won New York City Marathon twice.

-Hawkins got 4th at the World Championships marathon in 2017.

-Sondre Moen won Fukuoka, which is pretty darn competitive and also beat Bedon Karoki, who just ran the 4th fastest half marathon ever.

-Jake Robertson just beat the OIympic marathon silver medalist and the fastest marathon debutante of all time at the Houston half marathon.

Reasonable conclusion: you're an idiot.

Congratulations. They won some obscure races somewhere. Proves my earlier point you dolt, which is none of them are world beating athletes. Duh.[/quote]

That you call Fukuoka an "obscure race" just shows that you were born out of your dad´s ass (he was probably made pregnant by some local white trash).

Hutchinson has a Ph.D. in physics which is piled higher and deeper:

Do the Kenyans do Cardio or Weights first???

https://www.amazon.com/Which-Comes-First-Cardio-Weights/dp/006200753X/ref=nsa_da_sm_n_au_dka_US_pr_da_0_0?adId=006200753X&creativeASIN=006200753X&linkId=eaef827774714bf9fa0bbe8fe79677c7&tag=rowlandnet_mitdhome-20&linkCode=w47&ref-refURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artbell.com%2F&slotNum=0&imprToken=nHMKc77vgIGar3nn.AslBg&adType=smart&adMode=auto&adFormat=grid&impressionTimestamp=1518801185035

ha ha ha

Chris Froome is not a convicted doper. At least not yet...